Magico M7 2023

[Mike Lavigne]

WRT phone mic, maybe, maybe not. Only one way to find out. ;-)

Also, I'm sure your towers can achieve ~10Hz, the question is whether you're getting that at your sweet spot location, again, only 1 way to find out.

WRT subs bringing grief, not if integrated effectively, and in your large room with large sub towers it greatly simplifies that effort (subs XO lower, room likely has less room severe) modes. I've heard subs many times with Arrakis in a room about your size and the benefit was not trivial, FWIW.

the Arrakis plus subs does not have the driver surface of my ground up integrated twin tower speakers. unless there is a very tall stack of subs.

 

[Al M.]

the Arrakis plus subs does not have the driver surface of my ground up integrated twin tower speakers. unless there is a very tall stack of subs.

Your bass towers are in effect large subs.

The question is if they are optimally positioned in the room where there are no bass dips or peaks. The size of your room, on the other hand, promises a smoother bass response overall than most rooms.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Your bass towers are in effect large subs.

The question is if they are optimally positioned in the room where there are no bass dips or peaks. The size of your room, on the other hand, promises a smoother bass response overall than most rooms.

my speaker designer was in my room for 2 days 10 years ago. his perspective is that since (as he described it) his design is phase and time aligned achieving an aligned wave launch is a desired thing for optimal performance. so my towers are laser positioned for that to occur.....equidistant from my listening position.

he also said many rooms don't work for this approach, and the bass towers can be placed anywhere they work best. but aligned is the optimal choice when it can work.

 

[sbo6]

my speaker designer was in my room for 2 days 10 years ago. his perspective is that since (as he described it) his design is phase and time aligned achieving an aligned wave launch is a desired thing for optimal performance. so my towers are laser positioned for that to occur.....equidistant from my listening position.

he also said many rooms don't work for this approach, and the bass towers can be placed anywhere they work best. but aligned is the optimal choice when it can work.

Mike, none of this changes the effect on low frequencies in the room and the minimal tunability of the EA bass towers. Not to mention the very laser - accurate, to your point static positioning limits the benefit of optimal sub placement to ameliorate room modes.

Net - You'll never know the benefit of subs unless you try, and from your freq. graph, I see low hanging fruit IME. BTW, not saying your system surely doesn't sound exemplary, but there's room to improve in the low freq.

 

[TDX]

Please show me.

Use your ear. Easily audible.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Mike, none of this changes the effect on low frequencies in the room and the minimal tunability of the EA bass towers

the bass towers are very tunable. there are 4 1000 watt amps (two per side) and 4 analog pots for each amp/2 driver module to adjust; which i did back in 2016 and been very happy since.

i do have three of these little guys in my separate dedicated home theater room and enjoy those too. i do appreciate my extended bass.

 

[PeterA]

So how does the Magico M7 compare to other speakers that one might compare it to?

 

[microstrip]

Your bass towers are in effect large subs.

The question is if they are optimally positioned in the room where there are no bass dips or peaks. The size of your room, on the other hand, promises a smoother bass response overall than most rooms.

Debating subs without measurements is a diverging subject. There are so many variables to consider that what is true in one case can be false in another. The type of walls is as important as the size of the room in the bass. For example, boundaries absorbing bass can increase bass.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

So how does the Magico M7 compare to other speakers that one might compare it to?

personally i have no idea as i have not heard any of these speakers in mature systems.

considering only current production models.......

@Elliot G. just did a set-up with the M7 with subs. he obviously knows the Gobels; both the Nobelesse with and without subs and the Majestic with and without subs, and Harley's room where they did the Nobelesse review had Wilson XVX's i think with subs that he heard prior to the setup of the Gobel's. so that's 4 in highly tuned rooms (not sure the M7 set-up/room is in that category?) he has heard. not just in show set-ups.

Elliot? i know you are the Gobel distributor, but any comments?

those are a few of the players around and under $500k..

there are other large box dynamic speakers like those to consider such as the new Vivid Audio Moya M1. the big Tidal LA, the big Zellaton, and others.

 

[andromedaaudio]

So how does the Magico M7 compare to other speakers that one might compare it to?

Price tag ?
Bandwith?
Magazine approval ?

Luckily one doesnt have to spend 500 K to get to the soul of the music.

The ones i heard on dagostino i would nt trade for my tube combo.

Its all magazine hype peter

 

[sbo6]

Use your ear. Easily audible.

No it is not. So if it's your ears against mine, I've achieved >~40DB down "Expert" level hearing as per the Klippel test / assessment and "professional" level hearing via the Harmon test a few years back. Also, I continually test my hearing and can still hear up to ~15KHz. You?

Listening Test

www.klippel.de

 

[PeterA]

Price tag ?
Bandwith?
Magazine approval ?

Luckily one doesnt have to spend 500 K to get to the soul of the music.

The ones i heard on dagostino i would nt trade for my tube combo.

Its all magazine hype peter

I just thought I would try to get the thread back on the title topic and away from non Magico M7 member systems.

 

[gds7368]

So how does the Magico M7 compare to other speakers that one might compare it to?

I am watching this from afar, and looking forward to others' impressions on this

 

[andromedaaudio]

I just thought I would try to get the thread back on the title topic and away from non Magico M7 member systems.

Then go hear them for yourself .
Thats the only way to get an idea as to how they compare to other speakers and get an answer to your question.
The rest is hearsay (forum thread fill)

 

[microstrip]

I just thought I would try to get the thread back on the title topic and away from non Magico M7 member systems.

Why? What part of the tread was particularly disturbing you?

 

[PeterA]

Why? What part of the tread was particularly disturbing you?

I am not disturbed Professor. I just came to the thread to learn about impressions of the Magico M7. I used to have Magico speakers and I’m curious about this advanced model.

 

[microstrip]

I am not disturbed Professor. I just came to the thread to learn about impressions of the Magico M7. I used to have Magico speakers and I’m curious about this advanced model.

Nice to know you are still are able to learn. Perhaps you could learn that in WBF we are all equal audiophiles, addressing people professional qualifications in audiophile matters is inadequate.

BTW, I found that in fact we learn a lot more from out of thread, sometimes sinuous debates, than from oriented, straight threads.

 

[Al M.]

BTW, I found that in fact we learn a lot more from out of thread, sometimes sinuous debates, than from oriented, straight threads.

Both have their merits, and both should and usually will evolve organically in their respective direction. But yes, just let the discussion flow where it may go.

 

[Elliot G.]

personally i have no idea as i have not heard any of these speakers in mature systems.

considering only current production models.......

@Elliot G. just did a set-up with the M7 with subs. he obviously knows the Gobels; both the Nobelesse with and without subs and the Majestic with and without subs, and Harley's room where they did the Nobelesse review had Wilson XVX's i think with subs that he heard prior to the setup of the Gobel's. so that's 4 in highly tuned rooms (not sure the M7 set-up/room is in that category?) he has heard. not just in show set-ups.

Elliot? i know you are the Gobel distributor, but any comments?

those are a few of the players around and under $500k..

there are other large box dynamic speakers like those to consider such as the new Vivid Audio Moya M1. the big Tidal LA, the big Zellaton, and others.

I’m not sure what the question is Mike?

 

[Mike Lavigne]

I’m not sure what the question is Mike?

no particular question. just any relevant comments to Peter's question. since you have heard all these speakers, including the M7, in real systems so have an educated viewpoint we can all learn from. if nothing then no worries. we can just let Peter's question float out there. he was just trying to get the thread back on point.