Michael Fremer's coverage of Press Day at Munich High End

[Bodhi]

As per the thread title, I've summarized the best bits (imho) to save you time...

36:49 Dohmann Helix 1 Mk2
53:12 AMG Viella Forte
59:53 AMG Viella Forte spinning vinyl (brief)
1:05:05 Wilson Benesch GMT One (long presentation - do not miss)
1:30:39 Metronome tt
1:31:17 Tech Das Zero (Tiger tank meets uber turntable design)
1:34:16 Thrax SUT (looks like a high quality SUT)
1:40:54 SAT XD1

I'm impressed with the new AMG & Dohmann tt's. The WB is not really a finished product & no price yet, so it's hard to comment on it. But very innovative proprietory technology. I'd love to review that table one day. The Tech Das Zero...amazing & virtually unobtanium. What can you say?

 

[bazelio]

Geez. What is the price on the Wilson Benesch TT going to be?!??

 

[bonzo75]

Geez. What is the price on the Wilson Benesch TT going to be?!??

Somewhere between Sat and AF0 if it wants to be taken seriously. Anything under 100k is a joke

 

[tima]

Anything under 100k is a joke

That's funny.

 

[the sound of Tao]

and a bit sad as well...

 

[Bodhi]

Somewhere between Sat and AF0 if it wants to be taken seriously. Anything under 100k is a joke

Mmm I don't agree with that. My dream tt (incl: two reference tonearms & mc carts) would come in circa $76k & compete with tt's costing a lot more. What i'm saying is, there are high end bargains to be found <$100k if you look for them. And I reckon that new AMG table would be one of them.

 

[bonzo75]

Mmm I don't agree with that. My dream tt (incl: two reference tonearms & mc carts) would come in circa $76k & compete with tt's costing a lot more. What i'm saying is, there are high end bargains to be found <$100k if you look for them. And I reckon that new AMG table would be one of them.

I was being sarcastic. I like the brinkmann balance for example.

 

[tima]

I was being sarcastic. I like the brinkmann balance for example.

Is one of these a 'sarc' emojii ?

 

[spiritofmusic]

Tim, the sarcasm emoji is Ked's ident. Anytime you see it.

 

[Bodhi]

I was being sarcastic. I like the brinkmann balance for example.

Lol, fair enough. AMG's Chief Designer is an ex-Brinkmann engineer, hence the family resemblance in the Viella V12. I've only heard a Brinkmann table once...can't remember if it was a Bardo or Balance? But I recall it performed well.

 

[bonzo75]

Lol, fair enough. AMG's Chief Designer is an ex-Brinkmann engineer, hence the family resemblance in the Viella V12. I've only heard a Brinkmann table once...can't remember if it was a Bardo or Balance? But I recall it performed well.

Big difference in the two. Bardo is direct drive, to start with, kind of like Sat XD1

 

[bonzo75]

Is one of these a 'sarc' emojii ?

No these are condescending emoji that assume the other guy does not get humor. So they are there to explain to him that this post is funny

 

[morricab]

Mmm I don't agree with that. My dream tt (incl: two reference tonearms & mc carts) would come in circa $76k & compete with tt's costing a lot more. What i'm saying is, there are high end bargains to be found <$100k if you look for them. And I reckon that new AMG table would be one of them.

The new VPI DD for 15K, including arm should be taken seriously I think...

 

[spiritofmusic]

Guys, no way should these price tags be indicative of anything except that such gear has a mkt at such prices.

Vyger tt has so much loaded in for a quarter of what SAT tt retails for, you'd have to have a damn fine reason to look beyond it as a final final tt move

 

[Tango]

Guys, no way should these price tags be indicative of anything except that such gear has a mkt at such prices.

It is indicative of EGO Marc. My EGO is about $150,000 big.

Tang

 

[Bodhi]

Guys, no way should these price tags be indicative of anything except that such gear has a mkt at such prices.

Vyger tt has so much loaded in for a quarter of what SAT tt retails for, you'd have to have a damn fine reason to look beyond it as a final final tt move

I thought MF had doubts about some of the design features of the Vyger Atlantis in terms of its long-term reliability when he reviewed that table for Analogue Corner? But it's a mean looking table for sure!

 

[bonzo75]

I thought MF had doubts about some of the design features of the Vyger Atlantis in terms of its long-term reliability when he reviewed that table for Analogue Corner? But it's a mean looking table for sure!

That review is from 2003, reposted in 2018. This was already covered in a forum discussion. Since then 15 years of work has been done on the table, of which I understand there was a big jump from gen 3 to gen 4 itself.

 

[Bodhi]

That review is from 2003, reposted in 2018. This was already covered in a forum discussion. Since then 15 years of work has been done on the table, of which I understand there was a big jump from gen 3 to gen 4 itself.

My bad, I saw the 2018 date and assumed it was a recent review. Thanks for the clarification Bonzo. Was Vyger at MHE? I didn't see any of their products mentioned in the show coverage.

 

[bonzo75]

My Bad, thanks for the clarification Bonzo. Was Vyger at MHE? I didn't see any of their products mentioned in the show coverage..

Don't think so but I didn't cover the whole area

 

[Tango]

My bad, I saw the 2018 date and assumed it was a recent review. Thanks for the clarification Bonzo. Was Vyger at MHE? I didn't see any of their products mentioned in the show coverage.

I also made a fool of myself with that 2018 reposted.