Munich HighEnd 2024

[andromedaaudio]

I have a complete different opinion .
The rockport Lyra is miles above the other models .
The smaller models like ATRIA2 shown didnt sound not very good , i heard them in a couple of rooms

 

[andromedaaudio]

Relatively low cost 50 K Range / cone speakers

For loudspeakers i d say wilson sasha DAW ( or probably the new WP thats coming out as better dollar value )
And the magico S3 mk2
(Apart from my own small models off course )

And then put some CAT VTL ARC VAC on them (incl ZANDEN if the power is enough ) a WADAX studio player
No need to spend anymore for high end audio .

100 K -200K range
Kharma exquisite Line , Rockport Lyra . and my XPE own design which is cheaper but in the same league

And thats it no need to spend anymore then that .

Ultimate source is HQ tape not turntables

Regarding Avalon they need to start experimenting with modern composite housing materials imv , the MDF or what ever they use is outdated , balance etc is fine

 

[AudioLibertarian]

Just to be clear the 9k is the small passive stand mount and the 12k the bigger passive stand mount, not the active behemoths on the very short stands.

These are rather small for a behemoth I d say More like small black bear hehe, but yes that is the model that has captured my fancy so to speak... Morricab and others have liked their sound alot, and on the youtube they sound very well , and sized right for my listening room. Thanks for your info!

 

[Rexp]

Relatively low cost 50 K Range / cone speakers

For loudspeakers i d advise wilson sasha DAW ( or probably the new WP thats coming out as better dollar value )
And the magico S3 mk2
(Apart from my own small models off course )

And then put some CAT VTL ARC VAC on them (incl ZANDEN if the power enough ) a WADAX studio player
No need to spend anymore for high end audio .

100 K -200K range
Kharma exquisite Line , Rockport Lyra . and my XPE own design which is cheaper but in the same league

And thats it no need to spend anymore then that .

Ultimate source is HQ tape not turntables

Regarding Avalon they need to start experimenting with modern composite materials imv , the MDF or what ever they use is outdated , balance etc is fine

These are mostly toy speakers , if you want realism and to hear everything thats on the recording, get a pair of these Quested OLY 208's.

 

[andromedaaudio]

Cone speakers with hard membranes.
Ceramics / synthetic diamond not my personal favourite material however

Best examples Tidal and marten .

 

[morricab]

I have a complete different opinion .
The rockport Lyra is miles above the other models .
The smaller models like ATRIA2 shown didnt sound not very good , i heard them in a couple of rooms

The model in the Brinkmann room was the Avior II. Did you hear this room?

 

[andromedaaudio]

The model in the Brinkmann room was the Avior II. Did you hear this room?

Of course but it was so unimpressive i didn t bother to take a picture.
There were 3 or 4 rooms with rockports

I missed Rockport Lyra / Orion didnt see either of them .

For the rest no R koda / Kharma exquisite.
Fono acoustica was playing with some other Ls design ( not very good sounding)
I think on Goldmund

 

[morricab]

Cone speakers with hard membranes.
Ceramics / synthetic diamond not my personal favourite material however

Best examples Tidal and marten .

You didn’t hear the issues with the Marten’s upper frequencies? Rather reticent and yet still standing out…weird. Tidal was Crystal clear and upon first listen very impressive. After awhile though the coldness of the sound creeps into your bones and you feel like you need a vacation to the south of Spain to warm back up.

 

[morricab]

Of course but it was so unimpressive i didn t bother to take a picture

That tells me volumes about your listening priorities.

 

[andromedaaudio]

That tells me volumes about your listening priorities.

Look im only an amateur.
Im not in the SET / reviewer league

 

[andromedaaudio]

You didn’t hear the issues with the Marten’s upper frequencies? Rather reticent and yet still standing out…weird. Tidal was Crystal clear and upon first listen very impressive. After awhile though the coldness of the sound creeps into your bones and you feel like you need a vacation to the south of Spain to warm back up.

No i didnt hear that , i thought Marten / tidal / Zellaton were well balanced speakers.
But get some life into the sound please .

 

[howiebrou]

These are rather small for a behemoth I d say More like small black bear hehe, but yes that is the model that has captured my fancy so to speak... Morricab and other liked their sound alot, and on the youtube they sound very well , and sized right for my listening room. Thanks for your info!

Can you post the YT links for them?

 

[andromedaaudio]

And if your loudspeakers are easy to drive you can go even cheaper .
Get a

VAC 170i iQ​

No extra cables just 1 power switch easy to use .
great sound .

Seems to me audiophiles are all about making things look good / expensive / more complicated

 

[morricab]

And if your loudspeakers are easy to drive you can go even cheaper .
Get a

VAC 170i iQ​

No extra cables just 1 power switch easy to use .
great sound .

Seems to me audiophiles are all about making things look good / expensive / more complicated

That’s what the Munich show is about…pulling out the big guns.

 

[morricab]

Acapella was my number one, what was yours?

I made a list back buried somewhere in this thread. The Acapella was probably the most consistently best sound…as in it sounded great all 4 days. IMO it was a very complete package.

 

[howiebrou]

As an aside, did anyone notice how poor the panel alignment and geometry was on this? For those who don't know it was sat on the ground floor, inside, but outside of where the hi-fi was.

They need to get some experts in for this, because for the price asked, it's a joke. And if I can see that, what's the rest of it really like? Probably overrated is my guess. But hey, that is just a guess.
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It's built like a SR-71 Blackbird's leaky panels. Those gaps will tighten as it reaches 200mph

 

[andromedaaudio]

That’s what the Munich show is about…pulling out the big guns.

As an audiophile you are not taken serious with 1 box only .
Its just the way it is , most spend it all on atributes / box collectors/ sound enhancers .

Thats were the money is made in " High end " audio

 

[howiebrou]

And if your loudspeakers are easy to drive you can go even cheaper .
Get a

VAC 170i iQ​

No extra cables just 1 power switch easy to use .
great sound .

Seems to me audiophiles are all about making things look good / expensive / more complicated

Isn't 85 w quite a lot for high efficiency speakers?

 

[andromedaaudio]

High end audio

 

[andromedaaudio]

Isn't 85 w quite a lot for high efficiency speakers?

I dont think it will hurt either .
More dynamics / drive