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Agreed. Almost without question, my observation is that for a typical WBF member it’s the room, not the gear or the software, which limit what we are ultimately able to critique. A short room description (like some Stereophile reviewers provide) accompanying the gear list in member signature blocks would be helpful.

unless the room was extremely awful, like an exception, you could set up a very good system in most rooms. The problem is audiophiles think they all need the same big bad boom boom speakers, or that they need to go all the way to that dream speaker they once heard, which is where they screw it up, because that seldom matches their room. And those gigantic speakers are not required anyway. These audiophiles also seldom use recordings and music as part of the sound strategy.
 
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Agreed. Almost without question, my observation is that for a typical WBF member it’s the room, not the gear or the software, which limit what we are ultimately able to critique. A short room description (like some Stereophile reviewers provide) accompanying the gear list in member signature blocks would be helpful.
25x17feet and 7.5 feet heigh in the basment of house
 

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unless the room was extremely awful, like an exception, you could set up a very good system in most rooms. The problem is audiophiles think they all need the same big bad boom boom speakers, or that they need to go all the way to that dream speaker they once heard, which is where they screw it up, because that seldom matches their room. And those gigantic speakers are not required anyway. These audiophiles also seldom use recordings and music as part of the sound strategy.
For sure. The best way to avoid room problems is to use speakers that don’t go low and listen to music that isn’t “boom boom” (love that term.) TBH, anyone can make a system sound respectable regardless of the room if the music is chosen carefully. Audio shows are a perfect example.

We all have different audio yardsticks. For me personally, it isn’t getting Bach to sound good. It’s getting Zeppelin to sound good.
 
i did not think the imaging/lack of discussion was referring to forcing a forward stage where the recording might be mid hall or back.
Which recordings would those be? Nearly all sound close because of how they are recorded. I own one that was given to me by the engineer Where I know a single stereo ribbon microphone was used at 6m from the stage.
 
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For sure. The best way to avoid room problems is to use speakers that don’t go low and listen to music that isn’t “boom boom” (love that term.)

sorry you put words into my post that I did not use. I did not say music should not be boom boom.

boom boom speakers are fake bass speakers.

when I say good systems, they will play large orchestra, and rock.

as for zeppelin, the late Art Dudley said that the best Bonham he heard was on Devore O96. Go figure. FYI, the most unrealistic rock and large orchestra and small chamber and vocals is on boom boom speakers
 
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sorry you put words into my post that I did not use. I did not say music should not be boom boom.

boom boom speakers are fake bass speakers.

when I say good systems, they will play large orchestra, and rock.

as for zeppelin, the late Art Dudley said that the best Bonham he heard was on Devore O96. Go figure. FYI, the most unrealistic rock and large orchestra and small chamber and vocals is on boom boom speakers
I stand corrected. Boom boom SPEAKERS, not boom boom MUSIC.

That said, I don’t expect many audiophiles will be reaching for their copies of Massive Attack’s Protection for a system demo anytime soon.
 
For sure. The best way to avoid room problems is to use speakers that don’t go low and listen to music that isn’t “boom boom” (love that term.) TBH, anyone can make a system sound respectable regardless of the room if the music is chosen carefully. Audio shows are a perfect example.

We all have different audio yardsticks. For me personally, it isn’t getting Bach to sound good. It’s getting Zeppelin to sound good.

My dreaded sound is boom boom, tizz tizz. It is the antithesis of natural sound.

I actually want both Bach and Zepplin to sound good on my system. Ella Fitzgerald and Art Pepper too.
 
For me personally, it isn’t getting Bach to sound good. It’s getting Zeppelin to sound good.

It's both for me as well.
 
I stand corrected. Boom boom SPEAKERS, not boom boom MUSIC.

That said, I don’t expect many audiophiles will be reaching for their copies of Massive Attack’s Protection for a system demo anytime soon.
If it cannot deliver a massive attack, the loudspeaker is a bad design. my opion
Come over I used mezzanine to get plaster from walls:p
A good, clean bass is the foundation of music. If that doesn't work, the rest isn't right either
 
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You would be wrong…learn something about recording techniques…

you mean like you recorded your ex playing violin in your living room
 
you mean like you recorded your ex playing violin in your living room
I realize that is supposed to be negative somehow in your intention towards me but I fail to see how it is…especially when it is clear that is not what I meant. At least I had an ex to record in my living room…who was exceptionally talented…
 
You’ve described the system correctly, the sound presents well forward of the speakers and not behind the speakers like traditional audiophile speakers. This is the typical presentation of all corner horns.

I would agree with that as well. While Peter's speakers do project forward, the end result is pretty similar to regular speakers that project at their plane and behind it. That's because the corner horns are much further back. In that context, I also don't think the sound is in your face.

There is also tons of soundstage depth with these speakers. For example, in the wonderful chamber opera Savitri by Gustav Holst the unaccompanied male singer at the beginning sings way back from behind the stage (with a quite reverberant sound to the voice) and then slowly comes forward to the front of the stage. The audible spatial trajectory traversed is rather large.
 
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I would agree with that as well. While Peter's speakers do project forward, the end result is pretty similar to regular speakers that project at their plane and behind it. That's because the corner horns are much further back. In that context, I also don't think the sound is in your face.

There is also tons of soundstage depth with these speakers. For example, in the wonderful chamber opera Savitri by Gustav Holst the unaccompanied male singer at the beginning sings way back from behind the stage (with a quite reverberant sound to the voice) and then slowly comes forward to the front of the stage. The audible spatial trajectory traversed is rather large.
As @MadFloyd will remember, when we listened to Peter’s system I suggested that he closed his eyes whilst listening to the system. The presentation is much different from any standard boxed speaker system, and I’ve found that closing one’s eyes helps understand what the system can do.

as I’ve said in the past, Peter’s system at the time was absolutely fantastic. I can only imagine that with the ASS-2000 and the better phono stage it’s even more fantastic than when I heard it last time.
 
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I realize that is supposed to be negative somehow in your intention towards me but I fail to see how it is…especially when it is clear that is not what I meant. At least I had an ex to record in my living room…who was exceptionally talented…

Brad, have you shared a recording on WBF of your ex playing her violin? I would love to hear one.
 
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We all have different audio yardsticks. For me personally, it isn’t getting Bach to sound good. It’s getting Zeppelin to sound good.

For sure. Both Bach and Zeppelin are quite difficult to do well, IMO. Some music is much easier and you often hear that at shows. I commend those exhibitors who play requests.
 

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