Because this forum is the best audio forum in the world. This is the most knowledgeable forum in the world. Also if you want to pick a fight, this is the best place. Just say set/horn is shxt,. SS amps are better than tubes. Wilson is the best speaker by far. Far better than horn. It will be like WWE.
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Was there any doubt...Now we know where Ked gets his true inspiration !
My wife and I invited another couple over to dinner the other night. Over drinks in our living room sitting in front of a warm fire on a cold New England night, we listened to Ella Fitgerald and Joe Pass playing…”Again”. When our friend heard the song “Nature Boy", she said, "This is one of my favorite songs." We adjourned to the dining room where I told her that I had another version of that song that I would play for her after dinner.
Ella and Joe make wonderful music together, but my favorite version of this song is by Musica Nuda. I found the record and played it for my friend. She sat there silently taking it all in, and after composing herself, she asked if I could play some more music for her. Her husband and my wife were cleaning up in the kitchen.
Thus began an hour and a half of music listening: After the small scale girl with bass studio recording, Peggy Lee sang Fever, Monks chanted in a small stone church, an organ played and the choir sang in a vast cathedral, a jazz band swung in a club, skeletons danced on graves at midnight in Dance Macabre, and finally Sigiswald Kuijken played Bach's Chaconne, brilliantly.
My friend loves music, but like most of my friends, she has not heard it reproduced like this. She shared what she heard, describing particularly the different spaces and beauty of the performances, the tone of the instruments, and the memories it all evoked. As she and her husband were putting on their coats to leave, my friend remarked how she had been taken back to the days when she went to live performances years ago.
The next day I received a very kind note thanking us for the dinner and for the music concert in the living room afterwards. Such evenings spent sharing music and emotions with good friends is the highlight of this hobby for me.
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Friendship paired with music and good food makes for a wonderful evening.
I couldn't agree more with "Nature Boy" Musica Nuda...A favorite of mine too...
I have two tonearms on my turntable. The back arm has a NOS Ortofon SL-15. The side arm has a van den Hul Colibri Grand Cru Elite. I find that the Ortofon has a very natural balance and a really exceptional sense of weight and what David Karmeli calls "mass". It is a sense of weight and presence that sounds very much like the quality of a live instrument in space in front of you. The Ortofon resolution is excellent, but it does not quite match that of the Colibri, which I think is reference level in this area. However, the Colibri lacks the sense that beguiling sense of weight and mass of the Ortofon.
The other day I decided to experiment with a very nice feature on my vintage Vitavox CN-191 corner horn speakers. They have an attenuation dial at the crossover. The crossover point is 500 Hz. The attenuation dial controls the output level of the horn unit above 500 Hz. It does not change the frequency range, only its overall level. I decided to lower the output of the horn to better balance the slight lean character of the Colibri, and then to compensate for the lower volume by increasing the volume at the preamplifier.
The tonal balance is now quite similar to the Ortofon, and there is an increased sense of weight and mass, and I retain the slightly higher resolution of the Colibri. The end result is a more natural presentation. I am still experimenting with exactly how much to attenuate the horn unit, and I may revisit the cartridge tracking force and arm height for SRA, but I hear real potential for a nice improvement, combining the relative strengths of each cartridge.
I have previously owned and experimented with Vintage Vitavox CN -191 , initially a single transducer in a dedicated mono Vinyl and Tape set up , latterly with a second CN -191 , in the first instance a modern clone cabinet ( which on reflection was constructed to a higher standard to the original ) and latterly a second chronologically ( Ish) matched original … Quite frankly in my experience you are living in La La Land Peter , the CN-191’s are quite enguaging with mid range centric media particularly, crooner , girl and guitar , main stream jazz , a little lighter classical , Albee it unequivocally warm and coloured , anything more demanding and…. Well ! Pleasing to listen to ? Certainly , Natural in the meaning of transducing accurately the live corporeal event Nope .
I am quite certain that you would disagree, no worries , however perhaps other readers might be interested in a perspective differing from your own.
I am quite certain that you would disagree, no worries , however perhaps other readers might be interested in a perspective differing from your own.
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Respectfully, we have different opinions and it seems tastes, and that is fine. Clone cabinets and every version after the original pair that I have from 1959 or 1960 sounds very different according to my dealer David Karmeli who has heard almost every iteration. He still owns multiple pairs of later versions and there is a reason he searched for 20 years until he finally found a matching mono speaker to the original one he had. I now own this matching pair and of all the ones he has heard around the world, this original pair from this era sounds different. I suggest you contact him with any questions and to discuss his experience. It is fascinating
When Vladimir Lamm was asked which speaker would be the ideal match for his original ML2 amplifier, he said the original version of the Vitavox CN - 191. He did not think David would be able to locate and original pair. It is an interesting history.
Thank you for continuing to read my thread and various posts.
I was quite specific in commenting that my original Vitavox was later matched with a second original CN-191 of the same vintage.
Peter,
I am not a lawyer but have dealt with this from the creator side and the following is my take based on my experience:
TOS just applies to "content" not your own photos. If you take a photo or create any original content there's two levels of copyright, registered and unregistered. The difference is essentially the amount of damages if the copyright is abused. Just as if I had sold a photo for an article in a magazine or book, we retain the copyright to the image but the "buyer" is allowed to use the image and profit from it in the same context, ie. reprinting books/articles etc. Unless your sales contract includes exclusive use provisions you retain the right to sell/use your content in the future. I would guess that if WBF decides to publish say a best of book or any promotional material they would probably need permission from users to include their avatars and personal info, but not the content of your posts. This is very similar to those Facebook posts that go around saying that the poster doesn't give permission etc. TOS on any board of SM platform don't trump copyright law in my experience.
Beau
What decade were yours from, and what was the country of origin? The design of the side vents is a good indicator. Do you have photos?
The same country where they were manufactured ! You have asked me this previously , do you not remember ? But … No I had not the slightest interest in taking photographs of my vintage audio hobby from beyond 30 years ago .
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