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I think that comparison to official YouTube videos takes the video madness to a new height.

It’s quite silly and should not be confused with the people who post system videos to exchange information
 
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You do get your fare share of flak too Mike, but probably more back slapping, you are very neutral and compromising in your responses too. Even when you disqualify a product you do it without ruffling any feathers.:)
when you throw sh*t you get some on ya. i try to avoid being negative, or delete my negative posts quickly. mostly. then later regret the times i did not. still very tempting to throw down.
 
It’s quite silly and should not be confused with the people who post system videos to exchange information

Here we go again...

After listening to a system video, you have never been tempted to play the track on your system to see how it sounds?

It seems that the term "official YouTube video" is what bothers most people, especially when there are indeed multiple versions of the song, as was illustrated with the Peggy Lee track. How often does that happen, and if so, why not just point to the correct version?

I mentioned a track which has only one version - it was only issued on CD and cassette, and the YouTube track sounds pretty much the same as the CD - same goes for the track on Qobuz. So assuming someone made a system video of that track, what you are saying is that we should just listen to the video, without listening to the track otherwise, and just take the result and evaluate it without any point of reference? Either it sounds "like live music" or it does not? Right? I wonder how many system videos you can point to that really sound anything remotely like live music... It's hard enough with a high-end system, but no problem with an iPhone recording (Lol).

Assume, for example, that the system video has very weak bass. How do you know if that is in the recording, or if it is an attribute of the system? Or do you not care?

The curious thing, is that you visit audiophiles with a set of your own records, presumably to have a reference? How is that any different?
What type of information are you "exchanging" when you post videos of your visits?

Just curious to understand...
 
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Nevermind. This has been sufficiently debated. I personally don't care what people do with the videos I publish, and I am free to be silly myself with others' videos.

The discussion about the Peggy Lee video was interesting - analyzing recordings always is.

For those interested in cartridges, it seems that the videos were interesting as well. Good.
 
My Lamm LP1 phone does not allow for loading differences. I do have two MC inputs with different outputs and should experiment. Yes, the VTA does make a difference. I have an older Colibri, the XPP, which I should also put back in service. I have heard the Colibris in DDK system, and compared to the Ortofon and Neumann, they just have less of this "mass", but they excel in resolution.

Peter, have you tried any outboard SUTs in place of the ones selected by Lamm?
 
Peter, have you tried any outboard SUTs in place of the ones selected by Lamm?

Yes, I have two. A NOS one from Ortofon that came with my NOS SL 15. And I have one by Cotter from the 1980s, but I don’t know much about either one. SUTs might be the next frontier for me to learn about.
 
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The last ZYX I heard was quite awhile ago and no longer current. The Top Wing Red Sparrow is the one I think.

Thanks for that. I have heard others recommend ZYX. $16.5K US msrp for the Red Sparrow -- that is too rich for me, though Grey market is half that. I can be content with the Aidas Mammoth Gold on 3012R -- surprisingly good under $10K.
 
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Nevermind. This has been sufficiently debated. I personally don't care what people do with the videos I publish, and I am free to be silly myself with others' videos.

The discussion about the Peggy Lee video was interesting - analyzing recordings always is.

For those interested in cartridges, it seems that the videos were interesting as well. Good.

I will ask you please to keep in mind the context of where you are. This being Peter's system thread, he is generous enough to tolerate a lot, but it is probably not the best spot to discuss the value of Youtube videos to his system, or to immediately post a non-system video whenever he demonstrates something new that he has done to his system, or to argue in favor of videos that are unrelated. Rather than talking about his system, that turns discussion to talking about videos per se. There is lots of room on the forum for diverse topics rather than any topic in any thread.
 
Thanks for that. I have heard others recommend ZYX. $16.5K US msrp for the Red Sparrow -- that is too rich for me, though Grey market is half that. I can be content with the Aidas Mammoth Gold on 3012R -- surprisingly good under $10K.
Don't know the cartridge you have...from Japan?
 
Don't know the cartridge you have...from Japan?

from Lithuania


Later I posted this:

Here's an update to my Mammoth Gold review ...

I recently acquired a nice mint SME 3012R tonearm and mounted onto it an out-of-the-box new Mammoth Gold. This is a fantastic combination that sounds even more vivacious and weighty in the low end, with even better tonality and dynamics than I heard with the cartridge on my 4Point. Now initial transient attack is spot-on and the cartridge yields greater top-end extension than I heard during the review period.
 
Thanks for that. I have heard others recommend ZYX. $16.5K US msrp for the Red Sparrow -- that is too rich for me, though Grey market is half that. I can be content with the Aidas Mammoth Gold on 3012R -- surprisingly good under $10K.
That's the US retail. RS is much less in the rest of the globe. Good condition used would be up to 6k USD. That said wouldn't recommend it without linear tracker. Also, Zyx is quite different. Tang broke 4 of his, there are lots of comments of zyx fragility on audiogon, Ron's as per JR had a defect, and Opus sounds similar to Zyx and is more reliable.. Tang preferred the Opus to his Zyxs. Opus output is more.

Rebuild costs of Zyx are quite high while those of RS are low.

On a scale of 1 to 10, Opus and Zyx sound around 9. RS sounds at 2 or 12.
 
That's the US retail. RS is much less in the rest of the globe. Good condition used would be up to 6k USD. That said wouldn't recommend it without linear tracker. Also, Zyx is quite different. Tang broke 4 of his, there are lots of comments of zyx fragility on audiogon, Ron's as per JR had a defect, and Opus sounds similar to Zyx and is more reliable.. Tang preferred the Opus to his Zyxs. Opus output is more.

Rebuild costs of Zyx are quite high while those of RS are low.

On a scale of 1 to 10, Opus and Zyx sound around 9. RS sounds at 2 or 12.
What do you mean by 2 or 12?
 
You mean pivoted vs. linear tracker arm?
It sounded 2 on Sme 3012r, SME V, Schroder CB, Vertere, and Audioquattr reported the same with the various pivots he owns, and he also owns Reed 5T. Anamighty never got it going with their pivots and David and Tang neither with their 3012r.

It always sounds great on Vyger, and on Bergmann, and seemed to sound that way on Schroder LT but I would like to explore the latter more. I initially became famous in Audio exotics on Thales Statement.
 
That's the US retail. RS is much less in the rest of the globe. Good condition used would be up to 6k USD. That said wouldn't recommend it without linear tracker. Also, Zyx is quite different. Tang broke 4 of his, there are lots of comments of zyx fragility on audiogon, Ron's as per JR had a defect, and Opus sounds similar to Zyx and is more reliable.. Tang preferred the Opus to his Zyxs. Opus output is more.

Rebuild costs of Zyx are quite high while those of RS are low.

On a scale of 1 to 10, Opus and Zyx sound around 9. RS sounds at 2 or 12.

Thanks for that. Sounds like Opus 1 is a safe choice. Juki has the RS at $7k.
 
Thanks for that. Sounds like Opus 1 is a safe choice. Juki has the RS at $7k.

Opus is a very safe and consistent choice but does not have goose bump factor of RS and Dava. You can get it to compare notes with Ron on fields of gold and Diana Krall in Paris.
 
Fixed at ~430 Ohms. That seems to work fine for the carts I've tried.
400 Ohm on my SS phono, my Io sounds best with 375 Ohm, next step up is 475 Ohm where bass is definitely negatively impacted. I have purchase a bunch of loose resistors for fine tuning, but have not gotten around to it.
 
Loading with a SUT has always seemed more flexible, less critical, than resistive loading on the input of a high-gain MC phono preamp. The 430 ohm loading reported by @tima for his Lamm is the effective impedance seen by the cartridge due to the turns ratio of the transformer inside the Lamm and a loading resistor on the output of the transformer. A different stepup ratio or a different value resistor on the transformer secondary will change the effective impedance.

I have used SUTs with wildly different stepup ratios (and wildly different effective impedances) and while there are real differences they are not as hyper-critical as a resistor directly on the cartridge output.
 
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