I see the girls walk by dressed in their summer clothes
I have to turn my head until my darkness goes.
The Rolling Stones
- Paint it Black
We need a forum curator or librarian. A year ago we generated a 98 post thread entitled
Blackness/Black Background.
Let me draw your attention to a post therein that quotes Roger Skoff from his Positive Feedback column "
What isn't Black? Roger Skoff Writes about the Real Sound of Sound"
"Musical backgrounds aren't black. Even if recorded in an open space, the venue is almost always filled with the sounds of other instruments or performers, and with the ambient noise of the venue itself. That makes the background almost always "white," and the better the background can be recorded and the better it can be retrieved and recreated by your playback equipment, the more realistic your sound will be, and the more music will be there for you to enjoy.
That was
after we had an 102 post thread that started in 2018 and carried through April of 2021:
Is a Lower Noise Floor, are "Blacker" Blacks, Consonant With the Music?
Did we forget about all that ... or are we just bored and need to argue
... again ... some more?
I see people turn their heads and quickly look away.
Like a newborn baby, it just happens every day.
- ibid
Today I go to the dentist and you guys are
still talking about black backgrounds. And Francisco has further brought reviewers into the discussion, including moi. Easy target, why not?
For the record, in that second thread I did say: "heh - I blame reviewers."
Imo there seems to be a what? Bit of confusion to the current discussion? Confusion between what we hear in hear in the concert hall and what we hear in our listening room. The side discussion about acoustics in performance spaces seemed to rise up after Peter made this remark:
And yet people refer to the black backgrounds in the concert hall. What is that? I never hear it when in a concert hall, not when it is empty, and not when it is full during moments of silence
A wee bit of pushback - I don't read here at WBF or in reviews where writers make a claim for black backgrounds in the concert hall.
The question as I understand it is whether the black backgrounds observed in listening rooms from stereo components are representative of what is heard from live acoustic music. (Not whether you like it.) Naturalists say "No" - black backgrounds are a product of some (not all) electronic stereo components and/or cables... or something like that. "Velvety-black backdrops", as one reviewer likes to describe them (Cf.
quotes) are not a part of natural sound.
In mock defense of my fellow reviewers, many of whom I read but with whom I do not always agree, are describing components - not live music. The
problem (for some) is proclaiming a component's manufacture of a black background is a virtue, a positive quality, something desirable from that component or all components. It's not usually stated that way but you don't find reviews saying the display of a black background is a negative.
I'm not clear about the point of Francisco's quotes from reviewers describing sound with black backgrounds. Yes, there are such descriptions.
The fact or belief that black backgrounds are not representative of what we hear in the concert hall has nothing to do with the reviewer's description of what they heard - or are trying to describe of the component.
I agree that it is rarely clear what a writer or reviewer means by an observation of a component's black background. Is he describing a lower noise floor, lower distortion, a quality of music? Is "black background" short hand for something else? Or is it simply the best, or appropriate description at hand? Is it clearer or more obvious to the reader than some other description?
And yes, mea culpa, I have used the phrase myself, although my view on the virtuosity of black backgrounds from stereo systems has 'evolved' over the years. Yes I had accepted them as a positive quality though I've come to different thinking.
But as a descriptor or component sound, I find the phrase acceptable. Here's some examples - tell me if they are not expository or if I fail to convey what I heard.
"Nobody snaps off an electronic transient like Ralf und Florian mit den kling-klang boys. Consider "Telephone Call" from Kraftwerk’s
Electric Café [EMI EMD 1001] Together, the Premier 140 and the Avanti Centuries demonstrate how easy it is for this pairing to stop and start on a dime -- and do so at any point across the speaker’s bandwidth with drive and energy. Full stop. Silence. Fast attack.
Voices and electronic ephemera pop and crackle instantaneously into and out of black three-dimensional space." 2004
Soundstage (my first review)
"These are Desi Arnez big-band kind of tunes, which include a variety of rattlers, shakers, scratchers and congas, and feature guitar, flute, and horns.
Each instrument emerges one by one from a pitch-black backdrop until there is a dense tapestry of Latin sound from a band going full tilt." 2005
Soundstage
"It was easy to hear how Aaron Neville used his mouth and throat to form notes and words throughout his album
Warm Your Heart (LP [Classic Records/A&M Records RTH 5354]), but the lack of reflective information led to a sense of sonic suckout that made clear he sang from a booth. I had the impression of a dimensional Aaron Neville head, but no amount of post-production reverb could add the cues that placed it on a body in a live room with other musicians.
And yet when I heard paintballs of tone color pop with reverberation then recede into a dead flat-black background at the start of his "Everybody Plays the Fool," and despite knowing that was a studio-engineered effect, the result was sheer musical delight as my system rendered notes actively moving back to front within the soundstage." 2013
The Audio Beat
I write what I hear.