Normal in Texas is different from normal in London. So it should fit in Texas
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Normal in Texas is different from normal in London. So it should fit in Texas
If you try this here in the Netherlands your house will float....lol
The role of dsp in horns imho has much more interesting properties outside of uniform frequency response namely:
> Higher order crossovers nearly impossible to create in the analogue domain - whether you want them or not or whether they sound good is different topic
> Full phase coherency of the crossover in multi-way
> Time alignment - probably most useful feature for horns due to the physics - horn length discrepancy between channels and physical design
> Driver linearisation although this is linked to “frequency”
> Room correction - again complex but includes frequency domain correction.
> Easily implemented active systems that can be tweaked without endless costs of physical crossover components
Btw - I am not a fan of dsp per se just highlighting why one might choose to deploy it for a horn system.
I have heard the Lyngdorf processor many times and must say it creates a stable and pleasurable experience, however i was not convinced that a "simple" grand piano was presented anywhere close to natural... not even on their own "Steinway"
I have heard the Lyngdorf processor many times and must say it creates a stable and pleasurable experience, however i was not convinced that a "simple" grand piano was presented anywhere close to natural... not even on their own "Steinway"
Can’t disagree. There is some magic lost in the process - not sure whether it is the A to D at fault or the signal “manipulation” per se but something goes awry with that emotional connection - just don’t get drawn into what I am listening to. My subconscious audio lie detection system refuses to suspend belief in the event.
Well, for Peter's speakers the bass horn is already critically damped...putting SS on such a speaker makes the bass evaporate like the morning dew. I get the same effect with my Odeons...the bass horn does not like a high damping factor. A friend of mine brought over his Devialet once...just to see how it works on a horn and it was rather disastrous. We had to equalize the bass by several db to get anything resembling the bass from my SET. Also, the images and soundstage were pretty flat.
For Avantgarde, which uses active bass, it is more important to have VERY clean and natural highs and of course that palpable midrange that SET brings so well. I think Roy is meaning that the blend between the drivers is better with SS because of the SS bass amp...that might be partially true but you throw out everything good the speakers can do, IMO.
Philips invented the MFB loudspeakers long time ago and is still by many a highly praised solution.
I do not think the feedback in general is a solution to all but maybe if we use multi-amp systems we could then use some feedback from the speaker (using a mike on each speaker) back to the amps and "tune" this.... just a thought...
I do not think the feedback in general is a solution to all but maybe if we use multi-amp systems we could then use some feedback from the speaker (using a mike on each speaker) back to the amps and "tune" this.... just a thought...
Assuming not in Texas, it is an issue for meeting your criteria ?
Not trying to debate, trying to understand your holy grail. I agree that bass is a key.
Yes unless I can get a bigger place. So the real estate cost factors in. But this is also the space required to make a big apogee or a cone speaker pulled out from the walls sound good l. And once you have the space, the room matters less than with cones in terms of not booming etc
A thunderstorm representation .... nothing more nothing less, would be enough for me...
I am getting good results with DSP/DIY horns...I found that the biggest problem with DSP systems is the DACs. Once you use your own, high quality DACs, the sound improves dramatically. That said, I will try an active analog crossover at some point (once I find one I think is good enough). Getting the time alignment of the drivers right really makes for great coherence. Getting the FR right doesn't hurt either (sounds better than leaving it native). Is it as natural sounding as my main system? Probably not...but one can listen for hours to it without fatigue.
THX killed going to the movies for me can’t stand the sound, listening to music with dsp urrrgh!
david
It’s like the notes stop talking to each other. The dialogue stops and there is just a disconnect.
I always tell them to shut up when i want to listen...
Much like the voices
You can have the best A2D/D2A converters Bill and people think that they’re targeting some specific frequencies but with dsp you’re jumbling everything, the analog signal going in and what’s coming out have nothing in common.
david
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