You're too hard on Paxson, Kerr, Armstrong, Cartright and Longly Jerry. Not stars but they were pretty good role players IMO. 
New Album & The Beginning of Basketball Season
- Thread starter Ron Party
- Start date
For Boston, Avery Bradley can be a good PG. He was drafted a few years ago really to back up Rondo since Ray Allen was the shooting guard. But when Allen got injured last season, Avery was shoved to the 2 guard spot. Now, I believe he is very capable at the PG spot with Lee, Barbosa and Terry rounding up the 2 guard position. And Avery can defend well and shoot well too. Assist wise, he is no match to Rondo who is the league leader till this point.
Bradley may just be the Kaepernick of the Celtics. Go Niners!
Bradley may just be the Kaepernick of the Celtics.
Go Niners!
steve williams
Site Founder, Site Owner, Administrator
The Lakers last night were pathetic. Going into the 4th period with a 13 point lead (18 at one point) only to fall once again to another losing team
There was a time that when the Lakers came to any town they played to a full house. Last night I noticed at least 1/3 of the sets were empty
Go 9ers
There was a time that when the Lakers came to any town they played to a full house. Last night I noticed at least 1/3 of the sets were empty
Go 9ers
Steve, if the Lakers and Celtics fall flat on the noses this season, at least the SF Giants had won already a WS, and the Niners have a shot this Sunday to win it all at the Super Bowl. Funny how San Francisco can be the common denominator between a Celtics fan and a Lakers fan. Any die-hard Warriors fan out there?
Any die-hard Warriors fan out there? I'm still a rabid fan of the "run TMC" warriors. Also loved the daredevil drives of sarunas marciulonis. Too bad it all started to go wrong when Chris Webber bolted after just one year and of course, the low point when Sprewell tried to choke current nets head coach pj carlisimo.
Jack, not to demean the players you mentioned, but I guess what I meant to say is that none of them were close to say a shaq or a Steve Nash in his prime. But again, did that team even need a superstar big man or point when MJ was supported by one of the best all around athletes in Scottie Pippen, whose playing style suited MJ to a tee.
Jack, not to demean the players you mentioned, but I guess what I meant to say is that none of them were close to say a shaq or a Steve Nash in his prime. But again, did that team even need a superstar big man or point when MJ was supported by one of the best all around athletes in Scottie Pippen, whose playing style suited MJ to a tee.
I will never forget '93. Paxson fires a three with the clock winding down to win it all. I was rooting for Barkley and the Suns. I figured it was Chuck's last chance and it was. Those Bulls kept a lot of superstars ringless!
steve williams
Site Founder, Site Owner, Administrator
Rudy Gay trade shows LeBron James the future: Super team era ending
Adrian Wojnarowski
Could LBJ end up again with the Cavs........
NEW YORK – As a Western Conference contender disassembled out of frugality and panic on Wednesday, Miami Heat star LeBron James should've been recalibrating the realities of the free-agent frenzy awaiting him in 2014. For him, the economics of the sport keep reaffirming that three's a crowd now, that James will have to choose a partnership with one superstar teammate.
The Super Friends scenarios are gone, replaced with the NBA's vision of talent spreading out to the have-nots. James Harden leaves Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook for Houston. And months before it was necessary to do so, before the Memphis Grizzlies could make a run in the Western Conference playoffs, they moved Rudy Gay to Toronto and out of Zach Randolph's and Marc Gasol's lives.
James has helped to make it so profitable to be an NBA owner that Robert Pera bought the Grizzlies, hired a front office of novices, ran out a successful scouting staff and began to unload genuine assets for pennies on the dollar. Just recently, James tweeted, "What the hell we have lockout for?" upon learning of the $525 million selling price of the Sacramento Kings.
Why? Simple: The NBA's owners wanted to break up the super teams and create a system that'll assure Pera can mismanage the Grizzlies into oblivion and still make money on the enterprise. The max contract system makes James the most underpaid athlete on the planet, and soon it will do something else, too: It makes most precarious his future with the Miami Heat.
James' agent and childhood friend, Rich Paul, born and raised and still living in Cleveland, has been privately telling people for two years of his intrigue with bringing the prodigal son back as the conquering hero in Cleveland. James will ultimately make the call to return – just like he made it to leave – rest assured that the most important voices in his ear will be partial to Cleveland again.
Klutch Sports – Paul's new agency – calls Cleveland home. And its client, Tristan Thompson, would assuredly benefit with an eventual rich contract extension should Paul deliver James back to the Cavaliers.
"Riley has never given them the run of the place in Miami," one high-level associate of James' inner-circle said, "and they could all be back in business together in Cleveland. For Rich and [business manager] Maverick [Carter], they all see the benefits of getting the credit for bringing LeBron home again."
As significant as sentiment could play into the possibility of James returning to the Cavaliers, there's an understanding that as Dwyane Wade pushes into his 30s, past his prime, Cleveland's Kyrie Irving will emerge as the planet's preeminent point guard in two years.
Meanwhile, the Brooklyn Nets' Reggie Evans disputed the legitimacy of the Heat's shortened lockout-season championship on Wednesday morning, declaring James a comparable talent to the Nets' Joe Johnson. That didn't turn out too well for Brooklyn on Wednesday night. James marched into the Barclays Center and dismantled the Nets with 24 points, nine rebounds and seven assists in a 105-85 victory.
"No one knows what it takes until you've done it," James said. "He hasn't done it."
Indeed, James is a champion, and he could win two more titles before he has to make a choice on his opt-out in the summer of 2014.
Before trading Gay, Memphis had already moved under the tax threshold with a trade last week. It could've waited until the summer to move its star and made one more run in the Western Conference. But winning isn't a priority for Pera. Owners are virtually guaranteed profit in this changing economic setup, and small-market owners can play the NBA's corporate welfare game off the profits that the LeBron Jameses, Kobe Bryants and Chris Pauls produce for the sport.
These Grizzlies aren't the Lakers, and they don't get a lot of chances at making a deep playoff run. They could've hung in there for this season, but instead bailed on it. Across the NBA, front offices were incredulous with the way that Memphis unloaded Marreese Speights, Wayne Ellington and Josh Selby, along with a future first-round pick, in a salary dump to Cleveland last week.
Several league executives insisted Memphis could've waited until closer to the deadline, traded the parts individually and, minimally, received returns on Speights and Ellington.
"Beyond a panic move," one Eastern Conference GM said. "Cleveland would always be there with that deal."
To return to the Cavaliers, James has to believe that general manager Chris Grant can construct a champion around him. Irving is fabulous, but that wouldn't be enough. As much as anything, that's the biggest thing the Heat will have going for them. In the end, Riley and Miami owner Micky Arison will make it hard to walk away, because there will forever be a commitment, a competency, in South Beach. How long Riley will stay on the job is a different matter, and that uncertainty will play a part, too.
James has been thinking about a return to Cleveland for most of his time with the Heat, including the night of his cable TV special. He had second-guessed himself that night, but once Cleveland owner Dan Gilbert released that vitriolic letter, James understood: There was no turning back.
Rich Paul has stayed back in Cleveland to run his business and now represents Thompson, the Cavaliers' young forward. As Yahoo! Sports reported last February, James' associates had been feeling out members of the Cavaliers organization on a possible return in 2014.
For now, though, James understands that he'll get two more chances at a championship with Wade and Bosh, and that's precious in this evolving NBA landscape. These Heat aren't perfect, but they're well-constructed, well-coached, and there are never mixed messages from their ownership and management. It's all about winning, all the time.
Whatever James does in 2014, he'll make a decision with the highest of basketball IQs on what will work and what won't. Once again, the breaking down of this Grizzlies roster is a reminder that every NBA star had better make sure he understands the track records of the owners and executives with whom he's turning over his future.
The Grizzlies issued a statement on the trade late Wednesday, and embarrassingly had "general manager Chris Wallace" throw out the obligatory organizational quotes on the deal. Only, Wallace had nothing to do with the trade. Nothing. He isn't making calls to teams. He isn't consulted by the new regime. He's waiting until they agree on the terms of his inevitable parting. So, Pera and new CEO Jason Levien take an unpopular trade and assign it to Wallace in the news release.
Levien is making these deals based largely on the recommendations of John Hollinger, a statistician who worked for a cable sports company. The San Antonio Spurs once used him as a consultant and regretfully took his advice to sign a free agent named Jackie Butler. It was such a disaster, the Spurs had to attach Luis Scola to a trade to get Butler out of town.
This wasn't the '86 Celtics broken up in Memphis today, but, still, a contender became something far less over the past week. All of this didn't need to happen so fast. Between an owner guaranteed to make a profit and a front office guaranteed to believe it's smarter than everyone else, the Western Conference has one less contender to come chasing the defending champion Heat in the NBA Finals.
The Super Friends NBA is going, going and will soon be gone, and James will be left to choose one partner in 2014. Three's a crowd in the new NBA, and that'll be an immense part of James' decision about returning home and making everything right again.
Pera bought into a great time in the NBA, where the genius talents of the sport's biggest stars can fund his revenue-sharing checks in Memphis. Why did they have a lockout? Well, LeBron, this is why: Two stars per team and guaranteed profits for the owners. Make no mistake, James has everything to do with those transformations of the modern NBA.
For now, it won't be long until James makes a choice in 2014 that will leave him with far fewer assurances on his future than arriving in Miami did in 2010. Whatever LeBron James does, wherever he goes, just understand he makes it easy for the freeloading Robert Peras of the NBA.
Adrian Wojnarowski
Could LBJ end up again with the Cavs........
NEW YORK – As a Western Conference contender disassembled out of frugality and panic on Wednesday, Miami Heat star LeBron James should've been recalibrating the realities of the free-agent frenzy awaiting him in 2014. For him, the economics of the sport keep reaffirming that three's a crowd now, that James will have to choose a partnership with one superstar teammate.
The Super Friends scenarios are gone, replaced with the NBA's vision of talent spreading out to the have-nots. James Harden leaves Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook for Houston. And months before it was necessary to do so, before the Memphis Grizzlies could make a run in the Western Conference playoffs, they moved Rudy Gay to Toronto and out of Zach Randolph's and Marc Gasol's lives.
James has helped to make it so profitable to be an NBA owner that Robert Pera bought the Grizzlies, hired a front office of novices, ran out a successful scouting staff and began to unload genuine assets for pennies on the dollar. Just recently, James tweeted, "What the hell we have lockout for?" upon learning of the $525 million selling price of the Sacramento Kings.
Why? Simple: The NBA's owners wanted to break up the super teams and create a system that'll assure Pera can mismanage the Grizzlies into oblivion and still make money on the enterprise. The max contract system makes James the most underpaid athlete on the planet, and soon it will do something else, too: It makes most precarious his future with the Miami Heat.
James' agent and childhood friend, Rich Paul, born and raised and still living in Cleveland, has been privately telling people for two years of his intrigue with bringing the prodigal son back as the conquering hero in Cleveland. James will ultimately make the call to return – just like he made it to leave – rest assured that the most important voices in his ear will be partial to Cleveland again.
Klutch Sports – Paul's new agency – calls Cleveland home. And its client, Tristan Thompson, would assuredly benefit with an eventual rich contract extension should Paul deliver James back to the Cavaliers.
"Riley has never given them the run of the place in Miami," one high-level associate of James' inner-circle said, "and they could all be back in business together in Cleveland. For Rich and [business manager] Maverick [Carter], they all see the benefits of getting the credit for bringing LeBron home again."
As significant as sentiment could play into the possibility of James returning to the Cavaliers, there's an understanding that as Dwyane Wade pushes into his 30s, past his prime, Cleveland's Kyrie Irving will emerge as the planet's preeminent point guard in two years.
Meanwhile, the Brooklyn Nets' Reggie Evans disputed the legitimacy of the Heat's shortened lockout-season championship on Wednesday morning, declaring James a comparable talent to the Nets' Joe Johnson. That didn't turn out too well for Brooklyn on Wednesday night. James marched into the Barclays Center and dismantled the Nets with 24 points, nine rebounds and seven assists in a 105-85 victory.
"No one knows what it takes until you've done it," James said. "He hasn't done it."
Indeed, James is a champion, and he could win two more titles before he has to make a choice on his opt-out in the summer of 2014.
Before trading Gay, Memphis had already moved under the tax threshold with a trade last week. It could've waited until the summer to move its star and made one more run in the Western Conference. But winning isn't a priority for Pera. Owners are virtually guaranteed profit in this changing economic setup, and small-market owners can play the NBA's corporate welfare game off the profits that the LeBron Jameses, Kobe Bryants and Chris Pauls produce for the sport.
These Grizzlies aren't the Lakers, and they don't get a lot of chances at making a deep playoff run. They could've hung in there for this season, but instead bailed on it. Across the NBA, front offices were incredulous with the way that Memphis unloaded Marreese Speights, Wayne Ellington and Josh Selby, along with a future first-round pick, in a salary dump to Cleveland last week.
Several league executives insisted Memphis could've waited until closer to the deadline, traded the parts individually and, minimally, received returns on Speights and Ellington.
"Beyond a panic move," one Eastern Conference GM said. "Cleveland would always be there with that deal."
To return to the Cavaliers, James has to believe that general manager Chris Grant can construct a champion around him. Irving is fabulous, but that wouldn't be enough. As much as anything, that's the biggest thing the Heat will have going for them. In the end, Riley and Miami owner Micky Arison will make it hard to walk away, because there will forever be a commitment, a competency, in South Beach. How long Riley will stay on the job is a different matter, and that uncertainty will play a part, too.
James has been thinking about a return to Cleveland for most of his time with the Heat, including the night of his cable TV special. He had second-guessed himself that night, but once Cleveland owner Dan Gilbert released that vitriolic letter, James understood: There was no turning back.
Rich Paul has stayed back in Cleveland to run his business and now represents Thompson, the Cavaliers' young forward. As Yahoo! Sports reported last February, James' associates had been feeling out members of the Cavaliers organization on a possible return in 2014.
For now, though, James understands that he'll get two more chances at a championship with Wade and Bosh, and that's precious in this evolving NBA landscape. These Heat aren't perfect, but they're well-constructed, well-coached, and there are never mixed messages from their ownership and management. It's all about winning, all the time.
Whatever James does in 2014, he'll make a decision with the highest of basketball IQs on what will work and what won't. Once again, the breaking down of this Grizzlies roster is a reminder that every NBA star had better make sure he understands the track records of the owners and executives with whom he's turning over his future.
The Grizzlies issued a statement on the trade late Wednesday, and embarrassingly had "general manager Chris Wallace" throw out the obligatory organizational quotes on the deal. Only, Wallace had nothing to do with the trade. Nothing. He isn't making calls to teams. He isn't consulted by the new regime. He's waiting until they agree on the terms of his inevitable parting. So, Pera and new CEO Jason Levien take an unpopular trade and assign it to Wallace in the news release.
Levien is making these deals based largely on the recommendations of John Hollinger, a statistician who worked for a cable sports company. The San Antonio Spurs once used him as a consultant and regretfully took his advice to sign a free agent named Jackie Butler. It was such a disaster, the Spurs had to attach Luis Scola to a trade to get Butler out of town.
This wasn't the '86 Celtics broken up in Memphis today, but, still, a contender became something far less over the past week. All of this didn't need to happen so fast. Between an owner guaranteed to make a profit and a front office guaranteed to believe it's smarter than everyone else, the Western Conference has one less contender to come chasing the defending champion Heat in the NBA Finals.
The Super Friends NBA is going, going and will soon be gone, and James will be left to choose one partner in 2014. Three's a crowd in the new NBA, and that'll be an immense part of James' decision about returning home and making everything right again.
Pera bought into a great time in the NBA, where the genius talents of the sport's biggest stars can fund his revenue-sharing checks in Memphis. Why did they have a lockout? Well, LeBron, this is why: Two stars per team and guaranteed profits for the owners. Make no mistake, James has everything to do with those transformations of the modern NBA.
For now, it won't be long until James makes a choice in 2014 that will leave him with far fewer assurances on his future than arriving in Miami did in 2010. Whatever LeBron James does, wherever he goes, just understand he makes it easy for the freeloading Robert Peras of the NBA.
It's hard for me to imagine Lebron going back to Cleveland. That's where he was a loser after all. And now asking to be helped by Kylie Irving and young forward Thompson? Gee., what will be James' legacy? And also, I remember he promised the Heat fans not 1, not 2, not 3....championships. Whatever he will be , he won't be in the mold of franchise players who stuck it out with their original drafting teams like Magic, Bird, MJ, Hakeem, Duncan, and Kobe.
And now asking to be helped by Kylie Irving and young forward Thompson? Gee., what will be James' legacy? And also, I remember he promised the Heat fans not 1, not 2, not 3....championships. Whatever he will be , he won't be in the mold of franchise players who stuck it out with their original drafting teams like Magic, Bird, MJ, Hakeem, Duncan, and Kobe.
Celtics rookie PF Jared Sullinger out for the season with back surgery. When it rains, it pours, as noted by Steve earlier re the Lakers. Now the Celtics. After losing Rondo, now their young promising rebounder Sullinger.
steve williams
Site Founder, Site Owner, Administrator
basing of last season's playoff wherein the pacers were up 2-1 at one point, and wade had to seek out is college coach for some 'guidance', i feel indiana is a team that measures up like a great counter puncher in boxing. and they are the opposite, lack of superstars compared to the heat, they trot in the building looking for a real game. lots of blue collar players in this pacers team.
steve williams
Site Founder, Site Owner, Administrator
steve williams
Site Founder, Site Owner, Administrator
The Lakers sure know how to make even a simple walk in the park a complicated matter. When I posted last night the Lakers were up 29 points and could do no wrong. Well the Wolves claw back to within 3 points before the Lakers even knew what happened. Whew is right
steve williams
Site Founder, Site Owner, Administrator
Watching the Clipps get humiliated by the Raptors yesterday with their addition of Rudy Gay as well as seeing the decimation of the Grizzlies team by a new owner (a 34 yo billionaire) who wants to shed a huge payroll it seems that neither will be poised to advance beyond either the Spurs or the Thunder and it again looks as if the Thunder will represent the East. Watching the Heat get trashed by the Pacers yesterday showed me that it depends which Miami team shows up to play. Also IMO the Thunder are always well prepped for each game and play hard regardless of whom their opponent is. As a result I still feel that the Thunder has a better chance this year to beat the Heat (but perhaps that is wishful thinking)
I didn't watch the Clippers - Raptors game but my Clips did take a severe thumping. Wonder how much longer Chris Paul will be out?
The Thunder do look like the best team in the West right now to me, too.
Miami has played poorly on the road this year (11 - 11). A friend went to the game and he was pretty excited to see his Pacers take out the Heat in Indy last night. He is biased but he thinks the Pacers will come out of the East this year - especially since Danny Granger has been out and is due back in a couple of weeks. David West had a big game for the Pacers - scored 30.
steve williams
Site Founder, Site Owner, Administrator
Kobe last year would always say that the Pacers were team that he didn't like to face because of their abilities
i asked earlier if any die hard warriors fan was in the house...
now, will a die hard pacers fan here 'represent' (no pun intended) himself?
i loved the pacers that banged head with mj then, and then the lakers of shaq of kobe.
now, will a die hard pacers fan here 'represent' (no pun intended) himself?
i loved the pacers that banged head with mj then, and then the lakers of shaq of kobe.
Similar threads
