New Magico Speaker ??? 12-12-22
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Sorry guys, I'm not even close to being irritated. I am just responding in as a respectable way as possible to comments from posters who have not heard a product and are determining what the product should or should not be priced at.
I am not saying that the posters should not express their opinions, their opinions are welcomed and respected, I am just giving my opinion as well. Nothing more than that.
This is copied from the AS forum and is a VERY GOOD summarization on the new S3 (2023) model.
* The new S3 (2023) is two pounds heavier than the current S5 mk2.
* The tweeters are the 28mm diamond-coated beryllium (like M series)
* The midrange is now the graphene coated honeycomb aluminum driver used in the A5 and M9, BUT with even a better motor system than the A5 mid-driver.
* The 9 inch bass woofers are new and made with the graphene coated honeycomb aluminum like the midrange.
* An all new footer system
* A far more extensive enclosure with far more bracing.
* The shape of the cabinet (even the top) is monocoque and also has no flat surfaces helping eliminate reflected energy and distribute sound better into the room.
All the above are significant advancements over anything in the S lineup.
* The new S3 (2023) is two pounds heavier than the current S5 mk2.
* The tweeters are the 28mm diamond-coated beryllium (like M series)
* The midrange is now the graphene coated honeycomb aluminum driver used in the A5 and M9, BUT with even a better motor system than the A5 mid-driver.
* The 9 inch bass woofers are new and made with the graphene coated honeycomb aluminum like the midrange.
* An all new footer system
* A far more extensive enclosure with far more bracing.
* The shape of the cabinet (even the top) is monocoque and also has no flat surfaces helping eliminate reflected energy and distribute sound better into the room.
All the above are significant advancements over anything in the S lineup.
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Bob, The front baffle appears to be flat in the photographs unlike the M-series where it is clearly curved. Is the front baffle not considered to be a cabinet surface?
Hmmm. To me the front baffle is slightly curved with the 2023 S3 in the photograph. And the press release says they’re curved. They’re definitely not as shaped as the M series but you can detect a subtle curve in the photographs, especially if you compare to the Magico website’s old S series speaker photos. I’m guessing the more curved the enclosure/baffle, the more expensive it is because I presume they’re just chiselling/machining away a block of aluminum? Although I see online that one can bend aluminum. So I probably don't know what I'm talking about. But the press release also says the curve comes from machining.
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Each panel, including the front baffle, is carefully machined to take on an overall edgeless-shaped perimeter.
This is from the press release. I do not see where it says that it is a curved front baffle.
I am checking with the factory to be sure. Will report back soon.
You were exactly correct. The front baffle does have a slight curvature to it. That is the information from the factory.
I suppose there a certain snob factor involved in Magoco pricing. In ttheirr defensr that testing equipment is not cheap
The cabinet is complex. If made by hand it would be labor intensove .. I have no idea if he pays health insurance. It makes sense that he would need skilled workers
Furthermore I expect it is expensive to make a diamond coated tweeter.r$50k that would necessitate a #100k + system. For most folks makes it an academic excercise.
The cabinet is complex. If made by hand it would be labor intensove .. I have no idea if he pays health insurance. It makes sense that he would need skilled workers
Furthermore I expect it is expensive to make a diamond coated tweeter.r$50k that would necessitate a #100k + system. For most folks makes it an academic excercise.
I highly recommend taking a trip to the Magico factory, or there are several videos available that detail all of the departments at the factory,
including all of the CNC machines and test instrumentation, that I personally have not seen available at any other speaker manufacture on the planet.
Here is one Magico factory tour. If you Google Magico factory tour, there are I think at least 10 published tour visits along with pictures and descriptions.
SoundStageAustralia.com - Magico LLC – Advanced Design Insights & Factory Tour
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It's under Tweeter Highlights in the press release:
This applied technology allowed Magico to increase the dome diameter from 26mm to 28mm, improving many aspects of performance and allowing even greater power handling and vanishingly low distortion. Combined with a neodymium-based motor system, new acoustically improved back chamber, and customized shape to integrate into the curved front baffle, the new S3 tweeter registers the lowest distortion measurements possible today from a high-frequency transducer. When coupled with even greater power handling, the S3’s tweeter is a technical and sonic marvel.
Haha, I sort of vaguely remember reading it and then I just did a search on my browser for the word baffle on page 1 of this thread.
Couldn't agree with you more XV-1. I had dry tinder ready to go for these and now am repurposing those funds for upgrading my projector, better M car, home theater upgrades etc. instead. Disappointing to say the least and I've owned every single S model other than S1 in literally every iteration. On to other brands for me, too. YG, Estelon, Rockport, and Stenheim make very fine transducers as well. This is the push I needed to explore other brands after owning 7 pairs of Magicos.
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Bob, this is the WBF! What else would you possibly expect? We eat this stuff for breakfast!
Trust me, Marty I understand WBF very well. I have no interest in trying to convince the naysayers, but you would be surprised at the lurkers who read all of this. This is why I participate in the discussions, along with it being fun.Bob, this is the WBF! What else would you possibly expect? We eat this stuff for breakfast!
Since I posted the new S3 information, I’ve had three or four emails and two phone calls, already asking me to let them know when they come in as they want to come in and hear them.
You sound so certain. How, may I ask, do you know how much it costs to build such a product as the S3? You keep talking about the "increase", ignoring the fact that it is an entirely new, clearly more complex and advance, design. Looks to me that this new S3 is much closer, most likely better, speaker then the current S5. As such, it may actually be a bargain.
Especially when it comes to Magico, it seems to push all the right buttonsBob, this is the WBF! What else would you possibly expect? We eat this stuff for breakfast!
Has Stereophile received their review copy yet? What's the line on it making the cover and becoming/speaker component of the year?
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