Ron’s New System
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Elliot G.
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I've built quite a few rooms from scratch, a big positive, as not having to over come bad dimensions or obvious room flaws, however none of these rooms ever worked without room treatment. Trying to position large speakers in a room with reflections from the side and rear walls will not get you to the promised land. I also believe that more sound is better than less sound This means I would prefer to add room treatment to a too lively or reflective room than to try to remove it from a dead room.
We need to clarify some things here what are room treatments and what are they supposed to do? Absorbtion or diffusion or both?Bass traps?
Room size and speaker size play mightily into these questions as well as how the speakers actually work, Dipoles/bipoles dont work the same as boxes or horns so all of these factors determine something about the rooms make up and how it will need to be set up. Where you sit makes a HUGE difference. Walk around your room and see where and how the sound changes, trust me it does even in the best. rooms. In my room sitting or standing further back totally changes the bass balance.
From the pictures Ron's room looks like it could work however I seriously doubt ( my personal opinion) that it won't require room treatment and careful speaker placements and adjustmenst to get the sound right. Remember this you need to discover what you DONT know before you can make it work !
Just remember that when you are tuning a system you are also tuning to fix the problems that you haven't solved or that you have unintenially created. Its really hard to get it right if the starting point is wrong ( meaning room acoustics)
We need to clarify some things here what are room treatments and what are they supposed to do? Absorbtion or diffusion or both?Bass traps?
Room size and speaker size play mightily into these questions as well as how the speakers actually work, Dipoles/bipoles dont work the same as boxes or horns so all of these factors determine something about the rooms make up and how it will need to be set up. Where you sit makes a HUGE difference. Walk around your room and see where and how the sound changes, trust me it does even in the best. rooms. In my room sitting or standing further back totally changes the bass balance.
From the pictures Ron's room looks like it could work however I seriously doubt ( my personal opinion) that it won't require room treatment and careful speaker placements and adjustmenst to get the sound right. Remember this you need to discover what you DONT know before you can make it work !
Just remember that when you are tuning a system you are also tuning to fix the problems that you haven't solved or that you have unintenially created. Its really hard to get it right if the starting point is wrong ( meaning room acoustics)
Congrats Ron. I have to say the contrast of the black speakers and the wood panels looks absolutely fantastic.
Very nice system. You certainly waited a long time for it to arrive. It looks fantastic. Your measurements already look pretty good. Just that rise in the upper range (>4K Hz) and it looks a little ragged. This should be adjustable by speaker placement.
As you are already taking measurements you might consider measuring each speaker independently. That way you know what you are getting from each one. You might find that one of the two is the culprit. Also consider measuring the bass tower seperate from the panel. In this way you can see how they are blending in the overlap region.
As you are already taking measurements you might consider measuring each speaker independently. That way you know what you are getting from each one. You might find that one of the two is the culprit. Also consider measuring the bass tower seperate from the panel. In this way you can see how they are blending in the overlap region.
I think this has merit but lol. Having done this what we see and how we attained this info is also very complex. A bud was a speaker designer and made them many of them. it’s all complex on a damn cell phone playing music he asked for he fixed a few things on cross over settings
Once he did this I learned two things
1- what I think is right and have learned to love is Wrong. an acoustic guitar has sounds that at times are not so clean
wood sounds like wood metal does not sound like wood period.
2- knowing when it’s better in itself is very complex , headphones are a great tool if the ones we use are neutral not bloated
can help you learn what’s correct.
What most do and what I did is try to correct last weeks mistakes with this weeks fixes
If we have a method to follow it’s far better.
Agreed 100% Elliott, especially paying special attention to where the listening seat is located, which I have always called The Anchor Point.
one break in thing - crank up the Tron soundtrack or something else with lots of extension for 8+ hours a day. your typical music will take much longer to get the job done.
Thank you; actually I'm using a special "Burn In" CD.
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I am trying to use the same position and technique and SPL each time. I'm playing the break-in CD basically all day and all evening long except when I go to sleep (only because I just can't relax with super high power tubes on while I'm sleeping). So this measurement is about 50 or 60 hours after the last one I posted.
It is difficult to discern if the break-in is smoothing things out a bit . . .
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Dear Ron,
I know that curve… it looks almost the same as I had in my room with my old Descent subwoofer system, as I told you in my conversation to you last weekend. A top at ca 60Hz, a dip at ca 30Hz as well at around ca 100Hz.. These room nodes are difficult to handle, but not impossible to get rid of… it just takes a lot of work..
Go Ron go!!
/ Jk
Work on reducing the rise at 3-6 KHz…probably where the brightness is coming from.
