Ron’s New System

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An example would be the slightly greater or the slightly lesser intelligibility of a solo vocalist. In one system you think you might be able to understand a certain word that is being sung, but in another system you're confident that you are hearing it more clearly.

Unfortunately things are not so simple. Intelligibility is strongly related to RT60 - in a dry sounding enthronement (RT close to .3 or .2s) you will understand vocal much easier, but envelopment will be low.

Another example would be the ability to hear and to make out the words of one or more individual voices in a choir, versus an aggregated mass of voices that cannot be teased apart.

Yes, the famous Cantate Domino is often referred as an example of this. I have to say that the best separation of individual voices I have ever experienced with this recording was listening to the FIM CD, re-mastered by Winston Ma. BTW, I never listened to the tape, but would not mind listening to it. But the curiosity is not worth the high cost of the current copies of the master tape.

The clearer the intelligibility of the speech, the higher the resolution.

In my experience, not true every time. Resolution is much more than intelligibility - but we are entering a semantics dependent subject.

 

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You like dictionary definitions. Here is one for “analogy”: a thing which is comparable to something else in significant respects.

In audio, what is comparable to pixel count in significant respects?

IMO analogies can be nice to illustrate something that is clear and well established - using them when debating concepts only brings chaos. In such cases I prefer your often preferred approach - debating examples from recordings. However in order to avoid bias introduced by each of us own different musical experiences and perception of hall ambiance I prefer a complex studio engineered recording. My usual suggestion for resolution is the well known Paniagua "La Folia".

 

[tima]

Tang likes the Kronos discovery.

"I listened Kronos Discovery many times. It is digital quiet but has analog tone."

The Kronos with Opus1 is an excellent combo for digital people starting to go into vinyl. It is super quiet giving background close to digital. But the sound is more organic less crisp less clean no photo shop sound. (I think digital sound is like a photo shop picture.) The Kronos has quick, dynamic, very lively sound but less solid than other turntables I own. The unit I had has a problem with speed. Mr.Desjardins was extremely nice to me..took care of me every time I had problems. But I put it in its flight case when the AS2000 entered my system.

 

[Kingrex]

I have only the vintage Denon turntable, with Hana SL cartridge.

My mistake. I was seeing SME and thinking it was a table, not just an arm.

 

[Ron Resnick]

I am getting a Brinkmann Balance 2 Arm with RoNt III power supply with Mullard GZ34 tube. The Balance will sit on the HRS Brinkmann platform.

I hope to add a Vyger turntable with Vision tonearm and Titan air pump controller in due course.

I will be selling the Denon 62L + Hana SL.

 

[Kcin]

I am getting a Brinkmann Balance 2 Arm with RoNt III power supply with Mullard GZ34 tube. The Balance will sit on the HRS Brinkmann platform.

I hope to add a Vyger turntable with Vision tonearm and Titan air pump controller in due course.

I will be selling the Denon + Hana SL.

Ron, you will be very happy. Congratulations!

 

[Lagonda]

I am getting a Brinkmann Balance 2 Arm with RoNt III power supply with Mullard GZ34 tube. The Balance will sit on the HRS Brinkmann platform.

I hope to add a Vyger turntable with Vision tonearm and Titan air pump controller in due course.

I will be selling the Denon + Hana SL.

Congratulations it is also on Ked's approved turntables list , now you just have to change your speakers and amplifiers so he will grace you with a fresh visit. Maybe he will make an exception because you live in LA if you order a DAVA cartridge right away !

 

[Mike Lavigne]

I am getting a Brinkmann Balance 2 Arm with RoNt III power supply with Mullard GZ34 tube. The Balance will sit on the HRS Brinkmann platform.

I hope to add a Vyger turntable with Vision tonearm and Titan air pump controller in due course.

I will be selling the Denon + Hana SL.

bravo Ron! great plan.

Brinkman Balance is a high flier. touches all the bases.

 

[dan31]

Great choice Ron! Excited for you to get it set up and spinning.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Thank you very much, Nick, Milan, Mike and Dan!

 

[Ron Resnick]

Tonearms: I am ordering a Graham Phantom Elite and a Reed 5T.

 

[morricab]

I am getting a Brinkmann Balance 2 Arm with RoNt III power supply with Mullard GZ34 tube. The Balance will sit on the HRS Brinkmann platform.

I hope to add a Vyger turntable with Vision tonearm and Titan air pump controller in due course.

I will be selling the Denon 62L + Hana SL.

Good choice

 

[tima]

I am getting a Brinkmann Balance 2 Arm with RoNt III power supply with Mullard GZ34 tube. The Balance will sit on the HRS Brinkmann platform.

I hope to add a Vyger turntable with Vision tonearm and Titan air pump controller in due course.

I will be selling the Denon 62L + Hana SL.

Certainly a competent choice. People speak well of the Balance. Will you set it up yourself?

I predicted SAT or Vyger.
Care to share how you came to your decision?

 

[bonzo75]

Certainly

I cannot quote your previous post as there is no text only quote in it so I am quoting this one.

Your tang quote is referring to the Kronos pro which he owned. Mine was referring to the discovery, which is the new flagship

 

[bonzo75]

Maybe he will make an exception because you live in LA

the best sushi I have had was in LA, which Jim, the guy with the tannoy Westminsters introduced us to after Ron and I visited him. Jim’s wife is Japanese, and they are friends with this couple who runs the restaurant. Jim’s only pick from the menu was to tell the chef to do his thing, and the chef just rolled out one delicacy after another. So, I definitely will make an exception for LA.

 

[morricab]

The unit he owned had a speed problem? I guess that might lead one to prefer another table…

 

[tima]

I cannot quote your previous post as there is no text only quote in it so I am quoting this one.

Your tang quote is referring to the Kronos pro which he owned. Mine was referring to the discovery, which is the new flagship

you're funny. the quotes are easy to extract without the forum wrapper.

"I listened Kronos Discovery many times. It is digital quiet but has analog tone."

"The Kronos with Opus1 is an excellent combo for digital people starting to go into vinyl. It is super quiet giving background close to digital. But the sound is more organic less crisp less clean no photo shop sound. (I think digital sound is like a photo shop picture.) The Kronos has quick, dynamic, very lively sound but less solid than other turntables I own. The unit I had has a problem with speed. Mr.Desjardins was extremely nice to me..took care of me every time I had problems. But I put it in its flight case when the AS2000 entered my system."

The Discovery is a package of stuff. Since the Kronos Web site (yesterday) appears under construction. I went looking for some statement of what it includes. Closest I could find was on Positive Feedback:

"The KRONOS Discovery full Monty includes this ravishingly new one-hundred-thousand-dollar contra-rotational pattered turntable, its distinctively reimagined seventeen thousand five-hundred-dollar Kronoscope pickup arm, its inaudible twenty-thousand-dollar Super Capacitor Power Supply, the KRONOS forty-five thousand dollar, dual-mono tubed phono stage, with external power supply, and its inclusive, custom-built fifteen-thousand-dollar isolation stand. While the whole system comes in at just under two-hundred thousand dollars, you may order a la cart, for instance, purchasing just the Discovery, Kronoscope, and SCPS for a paltry one hundred thirty-seven thousand five hundred dollars!" ref

What is unclear to me is what if any changes were made to the Discovery turntable itself. Seems like the increase in price comes from all the added bits, phonostage, powersupply, rack, arm, etc. I suspect if the table itself had major changes we would have heard about it. Perhaps the table Tang owned was close to what he heard from the Discovery. His comments don't speak of a big difference. I don't recall him ever saying either Kronos was on par with the AS2000.

 

[bonzo75]

Of the 4 tables he let Kronos pro go the first. The AF1p stayed long after that.

i think the Kronos discovery is supposed to be much better than the pro, and the discovery arm is quite touted as well. I have heard neither

 

[PeterA]

you're funny. the quotes are easy to extract without the forum wrapper.

"I listened Kronos Discovery many times. It is digital quiet but has analog tone."

"The Kronos with Opus1 is an excellent combo for digital people starting to go into vinyl. It is super quiet giving background close to digital. But the sound is more organic less crisp less clean no photo shop sound. (I think digital sound is like a photo shop picture.) The Kronos has quick, dynamic, very lively sound but less solid than other turntables I own. The unit I had has a problem with speed. Mr.Desjardins was extremely nice to me..took care of me every time I had problems. But I put it in its flight case when the AS2000 entered my system."

The Discovery is a package of stuff. Since the Kronos Web site (yesterday) appears under construction. I went looking for some statement of what it includes. Closest I could find was on Positive Feedback:

"The KRONOS Discovery full Monty includes this ravishingly new one-hundred-thousand-dollar contra-rotational pattered turntable, its distinctively reimagined seventeen thousand five-hundred-dollar Kronoscope pickup arm, its inaudible twenty-thousand-dollar Super Capacitor Power Supply, the KRONOS forty-five thousand dollar, dual-mono tubed phono stage, with external power supply, and its inclusive, custom-built fifteen-thousand-dollar isolation stand. While the whole system comes in at just under two-hundred thousand dollars, you may order a la cart, for instance, purchasing just the Discovery, Kronoscope, and SCPS for a paltry one hundred thirty-seven thousand five hundred dollars!" ref

What is unclear to me is what if any changes were made to the Discovery turntable itself. Seems like the increase in price comes from all the added bits, phonostage, powersupply, rack, arm, etc. I suspect if the table itself had major changes we would have heard about it. Perhaps the table Tang owned was close to what he heard from the Discovery. His comments don't speak of a big difference. I don't recall him ever saying either Kronos was on par with the AS2000.

Tim, I think the Kronos Discovery TT is wider to accommodate two tonearms. The platter is dead center where Tang’s Kronos had one arm and the platter on the left side edge. I do not know if the TTs themselves sound different. New power supplies and perhaps a quieter motor.

 

[Johan K]

I am getting a Brinkmann Balance 2 Arm with RoNt III power supply with Mullard GZ34 tube. The Balance will sit on the HRS Brinkmann platform.

I hope to add a Vyger turntable with Vision tonearm and Titan air pump controller in due course.

I will be selling the Denon 62L + Hana SL.

Congratulations Ron, very nice. Soon there will christmas all year around for you.

Cheers / Jk