I will do that for you below.
First of all, your observations are very much incomplete. For almost a decade, I fought objectivists in the interest of subjectivists. You would have loved me then.
Indeed I used to enjoy broad and great support from subjectivists to the point where Steve approached me to be his partner in creating this forum. You really think the person that you are painting me to be would have managed that?
Hi Amir,
It’s very likely my observations are incomplete. That’s why I stated they were observations, limited to my perception, rather than anything resembling a “fact” or “truth” as I mention in paragraph 3 (1). And whether you think you’re fighting objectivists or subjectivists is irrelevant to me, sorry. All that’s relevant to me is the degree to which you can acknowledge or eliminate bias. That this is yet another example of me attempting to draw your attention to that bias, with you neither acknowledging it nor attempting to eliminate it has been, and remains to be, the sole reason I continue to have these discussions with you.
It’s why paragraphs 2, 3, 4 and 5 of my post #284 above deal
specifically and almost exclusively with the issues of confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance, and not the reasons for why Steve approached you or what type of person you believe I might be painting you to be, neither of which are relevant to your (in)ability to acknowledge the aforementioned bias I and others continue to bring up, but do suggest a penchant for deflection. Perhaps had you chosen to discuss those issues, rather than completely omitting those paragraphs dealing specifically with the problem of bias as you’ve done here in your post above, you could have avoided cherry picking as you have in this and pervious threads, we wouldn’t be having this conversation, and you wouldn’t be having to deflect and re-frame the argument to avoid cognitive dissonance apropos your unwillingness to take responsibility for a bias that renders your pretensions to objectivity moot.
Take John. He could not smell enough of my poo and praise it while I was battling diehard objectivists. Here he is parading the results of me passing ABX tests in forums (pinkfishmedia) that I did not participate in:
(...)
"Credible conclusion!" Now that I act fairly criticising some of the mistaken things subjectivists believe in, all of sudden I am a no good SOB. Who do you think has the bigger bias for you to battle?
I am and have been an equal opportunity audio critique.
Whether you are objectivist or subjectivist, if you take me on, then you need to do some homework and make sure your biases, like John's wish to sell products, or in your case, personal animosity, are put aside. Otherwise I will call you on it mixing it with what the reality of the situation is.
Again, attempting to draw the attention away from the issues I’ve put to you and offer names of others you consider better targets suggest perhaps an unwillingness to take responsibility for your conduct and a preference for scapegoating. I’d really prefer we keep our dignity (and language) above such behaviour, if we can.
Nevertheless, that you consider these exchanges motivated by personal animosity on my part, despite the fact I very clearly state:
853guy said:
“Notice I write that my comments relate to my "...observation of Amir here on this forum, and (...) his conduct...", not of him personally, whom I have never met, and only ever related to via this forum”
...suggests a proclivity for seeing my posts as a form of
attack on you personally (i.e. “if you take me on” - your words) rather than an
attempt at critique of your posts. That you cannot see a difference between the two is possibly largely the reason we are still having this discussion.
The reality of the situation? The reality of the situation is that you and I have engaged on several threads over the last couple of months specifically in the critique of your bias - every single one of which you have not been willing to acknowledge, and have instead, resorted to deflection, re-framing of the argument, doubling down on your bias, and now, in the last two threads, the misbelief that I have a personal agenda against you.
I have nothing - zero - against you personally, whom I do not know and have never met, as I made clear above. My intention is that I would like to be part of a forum in which bias is acknowledged and eliminated to the degree that it can be (sometimes called 'intellectual honesty'), as I also made clear above in the first line of my post and then expanded upon in the first line of the last paragraph.
As to Jon being here to sell products, is it a coincidence that you’re once again in a thread, posting results taken yourself, without controls, in a sighted evaluation, of a manufacturer’s product you do not sell and therefore do not stand to loose revenue via your custom installation business, or is it deliberate? (2)
A fact that you demonstrate in all of your posts about me. This thread is about a DAC and we are discussing ways to compare such products where all that we judge with is our ears. You contribute nothing to that other than more rock throwing from bushes toward me. Think about why you can't shed that emotional need. Think why it is eating you up as to raise the noise floor of this and other thread with posts that have nothing to do with the topic of the thread. That would be taking your own lesson.
Like I believe I posted to you only a few days ago, I try not to make assumptions about anything, and I certainly try to avoid calling things “facts” that are no more than perceptual observations. That you have here in regard to my emotional needs and its effect on my soul again do you discredit. Again, Amir, I have no interest in writing posts about you personally. Only the bias your bring to your multiple posts here. So I leave you with what I posted in another thread you did not respond to two days ago:
"I’m neither hiding in the bushes, nor throwing rocks. I’m here, in plain sight, attempting to point out the selective exposure and fallacy of insufficient sample size you’ve been observed engaging in on multiple threads, which appears to serve little purpose except perhaps to reinforce a pre-existing bias."(3)
It is, of course, very possible I am wrong, which is why I continue to contextualise my comments via the framing device of my observations, limited to my perception. That several others here on this forum have voiced similar concerns to mine in this and other threads does not prove I am incapable of delusion, but it might possibly suggest your bias is as obvious to them, as it seems to be to me.
Time will tell whether the multiple justifications for your conduct continue to accumulate, in which the biases of selective exposure, fallacy of insufficient sample size, generalising from the particular, and avoidance of cognitive dissonance result in further deflection, re-framing and self-victimising.
853guy
P.S. That you posted results taken yourself, without controls, in a sighted evaluation, of a manufacturer’s product you do not sell and therefore do not stand to loose revenue via your custom installation business is
very much on topic for this thread as is the "objectivity" of your analysis, and I am not the first to bring that up.
(1) “The latter is an example of what Daniel Kahneman calls “fast thinking” and the way consciousness is wired toward producing instantaneous responses to problems - not because they are the most appropriate or valid response, but because they are responses that most closely meet pre-existing systematic biases that are then justified via a process of selective rationalisation, and then often given alternative monikers such as “truth”, “facts” or “science” in order to double down on that bias.” Quote, mine, post #284.
(2)
http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showt...ting-products!&p=450979&viewfull=1#post450979 Yep, this is pretty much exactly the type of bias I've attempting to flag with you, and pretty much exactly the type of bias you continue to engage in, despite the multiplicity of those biases, and the unwillingness to acknowledge them.
(3) If you feel this thread is an inappropriate forum for the discussion of the above, I welcome you to respond to my post in this thread here, which so far, you have not yet done: (
http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showt...orth-big-bucks&p=456513&viewfull=1#post456513). I won't hold my breath.
