The Colibri “Master Signature”

kodomo

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All my cabling is cardas clear and my current 4 point is also wired with cardas clear. However, this one was already on its way to my dealer so I could not choose. It is with silver crystal cable. If the results are as expected, I can upgrade the tonearm wire later.
 
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Kevin of vox Palladian had it on his kuzma stabi M last Munich, Sujay has it with the kuzma 9 inch, and Tima had it with kuzma (think 12 inch?)

So the chances for your variability are either due to phono or pre, or the fact that the cart quality is variable and you might have to send it back and forth a couple of times
 

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The recommended tonearm effective mass range for colibri mss is 10gr to 16gr. The 4 point 11inch me and Tima has has 18gr effective mass so the resonance falls on about 7hz which is not ideal. The 9 inch is 13gr and the resonance falls onto about 8hz, close to 9hz (depending on the mounting hardware) which is ideal.

The phono pre I have is quite adjustable and is a surprisingly natural sounding pre. The values are fitting as well.

So, first I will look into those who do not match ideally, the tonearm and cartridge. If that is not enough, then I will send the cartridge back to VdH along with my notes and will wait for him to make further adjustments.

I already decided to get the Grail phono preamp so phono preamp will change anyway.
 

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The recommended tonearm effective mass range for colibri mss is 10gr to 16gr. The 4 point 11inch me and Tima has has 18gr effective mass so the resonance falls on about 7hz which is not ideal. The 9 inch is 13gr and the resonance falls onto about 8hz, close to 9hz (depending on the mounting hardware) which is ideal.

The phono pre I have is quite adjustable and is a surprisingly natural sounding pre. The values are fitting as well.

So, first I will look into those who do not match ideally, the tonearm and cartridge. If that is not enough, then I will send the cartridge back to VdH along with my notes and will wait for him to make further adjustments.

I already decided to get the Grail phono preamp so phono preamp will change anyway.
I am told that Mr. AJ should be able to make / modify a low compliance MSS specifically for the 4Point 11" (and 14" I presume). I have that in process. And fwiw, there are MS/MSS with effective mass spec'd at 8-14gram.

I look forward to your comments on the Grail.
 

shakti

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It took a while until I found the new "classifieds" section of the WBF. This section has replaced the "Buy & Sell" area of the Forum and is now placed as a new header.

Assuming that I am (may be) not the only one searching for the former "Buy & Sell" area, I do a hint here as well:
I just posted my "back up" African Grenadine Master Signature , 0 hours on it. May be someone is interested.
priced for a quick deal :)

You will find the offer under the new "Classifieds" tab.
 
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kodomo

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I have tried the 9" 4 point and yes it worked better with the cartridge, but I did not like the 9" 4 point itself. Also there were some other problems that stayed even with the 9" arm, so the cartridge has to be reinspected and readjusted. So, I sent the cartridge back and mounted my standart length 4 point with vta tower back on.

I asked A.J. Van den Hul to match the cartridge to my standart 4 point arm. I will let you people know how it sounds when it is back. I am still determined to make this cartridge sing in my system :)
 

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I have tried the 9" 4 point and yes it worked better with the cartridge, but I did not like the 9" 4 point itself. Also there were some other problems that stayed even with the 9" arm, so the cartridge has to be reinspected and readjusted. So, I sent the cartridge back and mounted my standart length 4 point with vta tower back on.

I asked A.J. Van den Hul to match the cartridge to my standart 4 point arm. I will let you people know how it sounds when it is back. I am still determined to make this cartridge sing in my system :)
Hi, my master signature has just returned from VDH.at least from initial listening I can hear a perceptible reduction in the high frequency energy though it still show through in some recordings. Other than that, it continues to be the best cart I have used.
 

kodomo

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Though it's not a 4-point thread, could you comment on the differences from the 11" and what you did not like with the 9" arm?
Well, to start with the obvious, the lack of vta tower. These cartridges are very very sensitive so my thinl old pressings and the new 200gr ones do not play well with the same vta. I really did not like the way the vta is adjusted on 9". Further than that lack of horizontal and vertical damping is also another thing. 11" is also much more robust and feels more solid.
 

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