This Corona Virus Mania is Just Too Much, We All Need to Chill!

[ddk]

Check out this website and see how the spread has occurred and how many “quiet” regions have now become hot spots.

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/

I realize the data is incomplete but I don't new hotspots on their map.

I think that 20% needing medical attention is significant. We can’t forget about the “flattening the curve” concept. If the infections are spread out over a long period of time that 20% can be treated although some will die. However, if not, many of those will die unnecessarily. It is that aspect which warrants the concern.

Sure, every life matters but we're not getting devastated by this virus. Wonder how different our lives would be if the constant media bombardment at this level with this negativity wasn't there. How many articles do you read about the rate of recovery and the mildness of the sickness vs the number of dead and doom and gloom? I have doctor friends living in Queens and Bronx and they're telling me that there's hardly anyone in line at hospitals to get tested but if your read the news you'd think there are sick people waiting in long lines to get tested but there's not enough to go around.

david

 

[howiebrou]

Anyone else here have a toilet paper subscription plan, we enrolled in a monthly one last summer and just got notice of our next delivery. At the time I had no idea that it was a life changing decision !

david

No. I have plenty of Stereophile and TAS lying around...

 

[ddk]

When I read the 100-200k projected death rate I felt it was time to put together my own model. As an actuary I have built and validated models my entire career. That part was easy. Setting assumptions is difficult and by no means do I think was I did is supportable but I did find that in my model the 100-200k estimation was more of a tail event than a mean estimation. I am trying to see what assumptions are being used to better refine what I did.

Hasn't happened yet and many could already be on their death beds anyway.

david

 

[dminches]

I realize the data is incomplete but I don't new hotspots on their map.



Sure, every life matters but we're not getting devastated by this virus. Wonder how different our lives would be if the constant media bombardment at this level with this negativity wasn't there. How many articles do you read about the rate of recovery and the mildness of the sickness vs the number of dead and doom and gloom? I have doctor friends living in Queens and Bronx and they're telling me that there's hardly anyone in line at hospitals to get tested but if your read the news you'd think there are sick people waiting in long lines to get tested but there's not enough to go around.

david

Michigan, Pennsylvania, California, Massachusetts and Illinois have all become hot spots in the last 10 days.

I guess I don’t understand your point. Are you saying all the cities should just open up and hope for the best?

Your “doctors’ friends” story is anecdotal to me. Converting the Javits center to a massive hospital seems pretty real to me. I doubt they would have done that if they didn’t need to.

My niece works at Sloan Kettering in NYC as a nurse in oncology. Her floor was just converted to a “cancer patients with COVID-19” floor. It is now the 3rd one. This is pretty real.

 

[Folsom]

That is true but remember that the 20% is of known cases. So, you can increase the number of cases for those that are not known or extremely mild and thus reduce the 20% but the absolute number of people needing medical attention would still be the same and the current number is overwhelming the system.

How is what I said any different than what you're saying?

 

[dminches]

How is what I said any different than what you're saying?

I guess I didn’t understand what you are saying.

 

[Lagonda]

This is what is happening in my country Denmark.

On a positive note, our numbers are
down ! We are doing so good with the
isolation/distancing measures that where put in place 3 weeks ago that
(if we behave)we will be gradually start opening society up after
easter. It all depends on numbers/science. Education and
jobs will probably happen as much
online as possible, and we will
probably work in shifts spread over
24 hours instead of 8. This is being
done to spread out people as much
as possible, for minimum contact, on
jobs and public transportation.
And if things start spiking we go back a little. Older people will still
be isolated, and increased testing will
ensure that people they come in contact with are virusfree. The
details will be negotiated and implemented by our strong
unions, employer organizations and
the government. Just the way salaries are normally negotiated !
This just give you an idea of what
can be expected, the timeframe will
of course vary from country to country, everybody here is working
together on getting us out of this
mess with minimum casualties including financials.

 

[Folsom]

Something to think about IMO about this whole thing, parallels what I think on regular days...

People meet up online to discuss this stuff. Probably the biggest website is Reddit. The problem is they're a bunch of censoring fucks even on the most benign posts - and with their Karma system it's really bad. Because of things like that one can only assume we're getting a lot of skewed perspective from around the globe.

 

[ddk]

Michigan, Pennsylvania, California, Massachusetts and Illinois have all become hot spots in the last 10 days.

I guess I don’t understand your point. Are you saying all the cities should just open up and hope for the best?

Your “doctors’ friends” story is anecdotal to me. Converting the Javits center to a massive hospital seems pretty real to me. I doubt they would have done that if they didn’t need to.

My niece works at Sloan Kettering in NYC as a nurse in oncology. Her floor was just converted to a “cancer patients with COVID-19” floor. It is now the 3rd one. This is pretty real.

No one said it's fake, how many cancer + corona patients they're dealing with? NYC hospitals were already overloaded and short staffed prior to this situation, this it the straw that broke the camel's back. NYC hospitals are packed with sick and old people, ie the most vulnerable group, separating the corona infected group in field and temporary hospitals is prudent.

NYC is a hotspot, the boroughs aren't at this point.
david

 

[PeterA]

Someone earlier alluded to availability of hair cuts. I have been locked in now for over 3 weeks and my hair is starting to look like a wig. I have already canceled 2 hair appointments. I now my barber well and he is cautious so today he is coming to my house and will cut my hair in my garage. His instruments have been sterilized and both of us will wear mask, gloves and gown and say a little prayer first

Steve, from your avatar, I did not think you needed to cut your hair. A manicure and change of clothes, perhaps, but not a haircut.

 

[dminches]

No one said it's fake, how many cancer + corona patients they're dealing with? NYC hospitals were already overloaded and short staffed prior to this situation, this it the straw that broke the camel's back. NYC hospitals are packed with sick and old people, ie the most vulnerable group, separating the corona infected group in field and temporary hospitals is prudent.

NYC is a hotspot, the boroughs aren't at this point.
david

David, where are you getting this information about the boroughs? Based on the NY statistics the hardest hit areas are Queens and Brooklyn. Manhattan is actually below those 2 and the Bronx in terms of raw numbers of infections.

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary.pdf

 

[djsina2]

in 1 month the US has gone from a handful of infections to close to 200k

That’s because testing is happening now.

 

[howiebrou]

Someone earlier alluded to availability of hair cuts. I have been locked in now for over 3 weeks and my hair is starting to look like a wig. I have already canceled 2 hair appointments. I now my barber well and he is cautious so today he is coming to my house and will cut my hair in my garage. His instruments have been sterilized and both of us will wear mask, gloves and gown and say a little prayer first

 

[howiebrou]

 

[Folsom]

I bet Steve actually looks awesome. He's got one of the best silver heads.

 

[ddk]

David, where are you getting this information about the boroughs? Based on the NY statistics the hardest hit areas are Queens and Brooklyn. Manhattan is actually below those 2 and the Bronx in terms of raw numbers of infections.

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary.pdf

different source and it was last week, we'll go with this.

david

 

[asiufy]

Wallace Roney, 60, passed away today, due to COVID-19.
And Adam Schlesinger, from rock band Fountains of Wayne, 52 y/o, is in induced coma due to COVID as well.
Here in Brazil a 26 y/o marathon runner passed away yesterday.
I think it's perfectly normal for the media to focus on this more than they did other recent diseases. Besides, what else is there to talk about? Harry and Megan?
And I do see/read a lot of news about recoveries, improvements, etc, so no, I don't think it's all doom'n gloom.

 

[PeterA]

I realize the data is incomplete but I don't new hotspots on their map.



Sure, every life matters but we're not getting devastated by this virus. Wonder how different our lives would be if the constant media bombardment at this level with this negativity wasn't there. How many articles do you read about the rate of recovery and the mildness of the sickness vs the number of dead and doom and gloom? I have doctor friends living in Queens and Bronx and they're telling me that there's hardly anyone in line at hospitals to get tested but if your read the news you'd think there are sick people waiting in long lines to get tested but there's not enough to go around.

david

I will probably be criticised for this post, but I find the conflicting stories from the news media, the bombardment of texts and emails in my inbox, and anecdotal stories I hear from friends around the world and in different parts of the US, to be very confusing. It is hard to get a sense of what is really happening. The data seems incomplete and much of the press is not really citing actual data anyway. It is hard to know what to think.

 

[bonzo75]

What is going on in Japan? Its a densely populated country. I have not heard much about Coronavirus there..

Japan did not show an increase in covid deaths but did in other deaths like pneumonia

 

[Folsom]

Japan did not show an increase in covid deaths but did in other deaths like pneumonia

I'm not surprised. They're healthier all around.