For the record, I notice that MylesBAstor has sleuthed both your personal page and mine recently. Is this some sort of audio NSA thing??? Screening the crazies??
Tripoint troy signature grounding device
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For the record, I notice that MylesBAstor has sleuthed both your personal page and mine recently. Is this some sort of audio NSA thing??? Screening the crazies??
Don't remember knowing him. But have no problem with that. Is there to be visited. I've been a top member of the NSA audio crazies list for a while now. They visit me on a regular basis to make sure everything is more or less under control and it does not go too far....
Yes it is like that. Is a demanding system in the sense that it shows all that you add or take away from it. You can tell very fast if it works or no. If you add something that it does not fit, it will throw it at your face with no mercy. But also very musical and magical IMHO when you combine it with the right company. And the Troy has help big time going in that direction. I never heard the first Troy so can not tell you how much of an improvement the SE is. All I can say is that the SE is a great step in the right direction, compared easily to a major upgrade of a component, and the Thor cables takes that even further. Try to get just one of those if you can after you spend a bit of time with the SE. IS incredible how just one can make such a difference.
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So you understand Caelin message but dislike the tone? Are you serious?
Shunyata and Tripoint offer different types of products so are not competitors IMO.
Understanding, interpretation and agreement are all related but different things. Nothing to do with tone.
Of course I understand the message. You just have to read it. But then people can then give different interpretations to the massage: was SR trying to correct some points? That but also while at it, advertising their brand and products? The two but also implicitly putting down a competitor, by explicitly naming it?. Different people will give different interpretations to the messages. And in accordance agree or not with it.
I do dislike the message. Just don't think this is the place. But if they felt someone gave wrong info on their products and had the need to correct it, stick to those precise points, be short, and above all, for sure, don't name a competitor in the same paragraph where you name all the good things you feel you do.
And all the other things I said that are too long to repeat. But bottom line, It is not about tone. It is about the content (or excess of it in this case).
And yes, SR and Tripoint are competitors. They both make power cords and they both make power conditioners. That is a fact. Tripoint is in a higher segment of the same market, but that is just my opinion.
Anyway. Getting back to the subject of the thread, for those with experience on the Thor SE grounding cables, in chichi component do you feel they have the greatest effect according to your experience?
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I would start connecting the Tripoint Thor se grounding cables to the preamp (as you already did apparently) and various source components. Both on my Kondo preamp as on my Trinity dac and Trinity drive they are very effective indeed when I connect them to the Tripoint emperor.
Yes, connected to preamp. Will now try adding the two DACs to it and see. Improvement over preamp is remarkable. Seems almost incredible. Let's see what else this brings. thanks
Hi Eli. With so many Thor's in your pocket, how can you hold yourself back from connecting them all? I'm waiting for my first one and I know it will go straight to the cj GAT, next one on Zanden phono PS then...
Would be interesting to hear your experiences what each next Thor SE brings to the table.Great to hear that you are as enthusiastic about the Thor se grounding cables as I am. You will be amazed once you start adding more Thor se's to your system.
Hi Eli. With so many Thor's in your pocket, how can you hold yourself back from connecting them all? I'm waiting for my first one and I know it will go straight to the cj GAT, next one on Zanden phono PS then...
Hi Marcus, how are you doing? Keep us posted on your experiences with your first Troy se grounding cable. It will probably not be your last!
Hi Eli. With so many Thor's in your pocket, how can you hold yourself back from connecting them all? I'm waiting for my first one and I know it will go straight to the cj GAT, next one on Zanden phono PS then...
Hi Marcus. It is hard believe me. BUt I want to be sure what each one brings to the table. TO make things worse, I got the THors SE the day after I received the new Esoteric Grandioso D1/P1... so had to allow time for it so settle, get used to the sound with regular cables, and just recently started adding the Thor Se one by one. I have done first the preamp. NOw I am reday for next step and will do next weekend the 2 DACs. After that I think I will do Transport and its power supply, and finally the Clock...
Long process and is taking even longer cos I am travelling a lot lately; but I am also enjoying, as system sounds so good, and just when you think it can't be improved, you are suprised. So enjoying a lot listening to music while going along the process.
And to make things worse, as one of the last parts of a major upgrade process started a while ago, I have also a pair of Siltech TC speaker cables and interconnects coming in... But will leave those for the last step.
It's an insane act of self control...
I will report what each one brings with more detail.
For now I will say that the Thor in the preamps has been a large step forward. Mainly in 2 áreas so far. MOre credible soundstage: all expanded in a good manner. More detail deu to a perceived lower noise. attacks and inner detail are incredible. While keeping the presentation highly musical.
Will keep informing...
Yeah, the number one axiom is never change two things at the same time.
I have four Thor SEs.I put one on one BMC M2 monoblocks and decided that this was no help, so I put a second on the other amp. I was shocked that the Silvers were so greatly surpassed. Once I noticed no further improvement, I installed one on the Koda K10 and heard a great improvement. Finally I put the last one on the BMC MCCI phono stage and later on the dac to my music server which was a major ordeal as the dac is so small and the Thors so heavy and resistant to twisting. I never rally was satisfied with this connection, however. After about three weeks I was convinced that the Thor SEs even more enhanced the Troy than I thought.
Moving the Thor SEs also temporarily harms their contribution. They are fantastic pains in the ass, however, if you ever want to try them on something new. Don't expect the Troy's binding posts to hold a twisted SEs in place as you really cannot tighten them enough without breaking them.
I have four Thor SEs.I put one on one BMC M2 monoblocks and decided that this was no help, so I put a second on the other amp. I was shocked that the Silvers were so greatly surpassed. Once I noticed no further improvement, I installed one on the Koda K10 and heard a great improvement. Finally I put the last one on the BMC MCCI phono stage and later on the dac to my music server which was a major ordeal as the dac is so small and the Thors so heavy and resistant to twisting. I never rally was satisfied with this connection, however. After about three weeks I was convinced that the Thor SEs even more enhanced the Troy than I thought.
Moving the Thor SEs also temporarily harms their contribution. They are fantastic pains in the ass, however, if you ever want to try them on something new. Don't expect the Troy's binding posts to hold a twisted SEs in place as you really cannot tighten them enough without breaking them.
Hello. Enjoying holidays on croatian island Hvar, eating mediteranean food, drinking good wine, smoking cigars, monitoring threads on WBF from time to time and thinking on Miguel who must work on my Thor SE.
I'm sure it will not be the last...
Hello. Enjoying holidays on croatian island Hvar, eating mediteranean food, drinking good wine, smoking cigars, monitoring threads on WBF from time to time and thinking on Miguel who must work on my Thor SE.
In the US, we call that "living large." Stay away from this site until your return.....
I'm excited to say that I have a Tripoint Troy SE Signature with Thor power cable and Thor SE Reference ground cable 1.5m in route to me now. it could be here by Wednesday or Thursday.
it will be interesting to see how it integrates into my system which already has the Entreq Silver Tellus (connected to my dart pre on unused RCA's) and Entreq Poseidon (connected to the negative ground posts on my dart 458 monoblocks).
I plan on starting off with the Thor Reference SE ground cable connected to the grounding post on the dart pre. and then go from there.
it will be interesting to see how it integrates into my system which already has the Entreq Silver Tellus (connected to my dart pre on unused RCA's) and Entreq Poseidon (connected to the negative ground posts on my dart 458 monoblocks).
I plan on starting off with the Thor Reference SE ground cable connected to the grounding post on the dart pre. and then go from there.
I've thought of trying both the Tripoint Troy SE Signature with Thor SE References (4) with the Entreq units but have always been put off by what is inside the Entreqs. Paul is also a friend, thus I would not want to say anything negative about the Enteqs. I will follow your findings with great interest. I suppose one still gets four Tripoint Silvers that will allow you to compare the Thor SE grounding cables. I might tell you not to bother, but know that you will no doubt judge for yourself.
Is the grounding post on the Dart just a signal ground or is it also a chassis ground? Remember that on the Troy you don't want to mix signal and chassis grounds. Use only one Troy binding post for signal ground.
Also be careful in tightening the Cardas binding posts on the Troy, one of mine that I was trying to attach two Thors to broke off. This gave me an opportunity to see how much I was gaining with the Troy. I was very happy to get the Troy back and in my system!
Finally, I have always found the Troy likes to be up on a Star Sound Apprentice stand and that the Thors should be insulated from any contact with the floor.
i'm not bothered by the view inside the Entreq boxes. that perspective is besides the point. OTOH I respect how you view that. maybe if I was a DIY kinda guy and could see myself building one then I might feel different. but really....what should the inside of a grounding box look like? not to say I don't appreciate the view of the Troy. there is no doubt that the level of build quality of the Troy is many degrees higher than the Entreq.
I will play around with the various cables in various places. but the overwhelmingly positive feedback on the Thor SE grounding cables does tell me that is the best approach.
the dart pre has 4 grounding posts--one for each phono channel, which are all chassis grounds. and I do realize that the Troy is a chassis ground only per post. right now i'll leave the signal ground to the Entreq.
thanks for the warning on the Cardas posts. that's the sort of lesson I appreciate avoiding learning.
I like gear spiked and grounded onto my concrete floor until I get a baseline of performance and then tweak from there. but thanks for the rec on the stand. I will keep it in mind. i'll use cable elevators for the Thor's....thanks for that info.
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It is not the case that the Troy is chassis grounding only. As I said you must have all signal ground hooked to the same binding post. Of course you can only use chassis grounding if you want.
Enjoy the experiment!
They work very well in tandem with the Entreq . Different attributes that compliment each other . Look forward to your findings . Seasons Best .
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