Tripoint troy signature grounding device

[Tango]

best wishes my friend with the Schnerzenger.

Dear Mike,

Thankyou for your wishful thinking. I think we can compliment and help each other very much by sharing our experiences. We seem to aim at the same destination although comimg from different approaches. I am like you have many opportunities to try uber gears in our own system. And as I have said before, I want to contribute to this forum and hopefully be beneficial to friends here. In this hobby, let's say I dived into a pool, found no water and got hurt more times than I can think of. Friends here can avoid those if reliable info is around. For the record, I have no commercial interest in this. I am just a Fertilizer guy.


Kind regards,
Tang

 

[spiritofmusic]

Tango, so did you directly a/b Elite v Scherzinger?
Are you able to describe the differences?
And what is the name of this Scherzinger product? Price?
I may be wrong, but this may be the first time a high end customer has moved away from Troy.

 

[Tango]

Tango, so did you directly a/b Elite v Scherzinger?
Are you able to describe the differences?
And what is the name of this Scherzinger product? Price?
I may be wrong, but this may be the first time a high end customer has moved away from Troy.

Hello Spirit,

I never tried Elite.

I demoed the Grid Protector and three units of Piccolo. These devices were adding into my system of two Troys, a pair of Empress and a few Dalby ground wires. You can read my findings in Schnerzenger cable thread.

I do not move away from Tripoints. They are essential components that give organicness, tonal texture, vocal dimention and realism to my system. I would like to say that if you already think your system sounds super good, these grounding things can make your system up a few more notches.

My system with Tripoints already sounds pretty good. But these Schnerzengers take it beyond. Adding or upgrading Tripoint is unlikely to improve sound in "specific aspects" I want. And I never added anything or upgrade any component without specific target.

I only demoed the products for one afternoon. Right now they are not in my system. My agent said ETA in three months.

Regarding pricing I can only say they could cost less than Tripoint depending on how many you need. Schnerzenger are marketed by Zellaton.

Kind regards,
Tang

 

[spiritofmusic]

Sure Tang.
But you're the first individual online of a certain standing who has gone in w Troy, but found alternative tech to invest in alongside.
So much of the Troy narrative at uber levels like Elite/Master Ref is that it's at the summit, in a class of its own, trounces everything else, it's interesting to hear that's not necessarily the case.

 

[Audiocrack]

Sure Tang.
But you're the first individual online of a certain standing who has gone in w Troy, but found alternative tech to invest in alongside.
So much of the Troy narrative at uber levels like Elite/Master Ref is that it's at the summit, in a class of its own, trounces everything else, it's interesting to hear that's not necessarily the case.

First of all Spirit: Your first comment is not correct because there are quite a few people that employ Troy signatures and simultaniously various Entreq components.

Secondly, Tang has not heard the Elite and therefore cannot know how it would elevate his system. I think Mike made it abundantly clear that the Elite elevates the level of his playback (and keep in mind his Elite has not settled yet). Ofcourse it is completely fine that Tang has opted for other products but he might be as pleasantly surprised as Mike is when he would add the Elite. Imho that is even likely.

Thirdly, I would really appreciate if you would stop making all sorts of negative Tripoint comments over and over again on WBF. You have never heard any of the Tripoint products in your system so you cannot judge the quality of these products nor whether they - given their performance and the materials as well as man hours invested - are resonably or unfairly priced (whatever that might mean). I do not understand your motivation in this regard, but your (sometimes cleverly hidden) Tripoint 'attacks' again and again are getting boring.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Sure, message received.
Btw Audiocrack, if I really want to attack a component, I'll attack it.
I'm not a snide individual by nature.
However since I'm never going to invest in this product, I'll back out.
Fwiw, if it's snide to comment on someone who's not gone on to invest in the top tier of a product line, or that my reliable information is that components benefit from multiple grounding which makes the concept out of reach financially running dozens of Master Ref cbls, and that a flagship product may run out of capacity grounding a system needing 12-18 grounds (Elite having 4 posts), well that's a novel use of the word "snide".

 

[Audiocrack]

Sure, message received.
Btw Audiocrack, if I really want to attack a component, I'll attack it.
I'm not a snide individual by nature.
However since I'm never going to invest in this product, I'll back out.
Fwiw, if it's snide to comment on someone who's not gone on to invest in the top tier of a product line, or that my reliable information is that components benefit from multiple grounding which makes the concept out of reach financially running dozens of Master Ref cbls, and that a flagship product may run out of capacity grounding a system needing 12-18 grounds (Elite having 4 posts), well that's a novel use of the word "snide".

Spirit, you know perfectly well that my remarks were not referring to the points you bring up in your last paragraph.

Anyway, I suggest to let go of all your negative Tripoint comments in the last couple of years (I suppose we agree on this), move on and contribute to the WBF in a positive way.

 

[Lee]

Can someone post photos of the various grounding wires? I'm curious how everything ties together.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Sure Audiocrack, I think I have a history of being constructive in 51% of posts

 

[Tango]

Can someone post photos of the various grounding wires? I'm curious how everything ties together.

Hello Lee,

I only have pictures of the regular silver wires that come with the Troy and the Dalby Celestial wire that I am using. Other people can show their other wires.

The big white snake is the Dalby. I am sorry for my feet in the picture .







Tang

 

[Lee]

Thanks Tango!

 

[CKKeung]

There is no reason why other hifi gadgets cannot be added to Troy groundboxes.
My friends and I did so in hifi gatherings and some of the combinations worked.
One of the best mix & match is Troy + Schnerzinger Protectors.

There are two Troy Signature groundboxes. One each for digital and analog components. Adding a full set of Schnerzinger Protectors gives improvement in all aspects.



When we thought that the best combination had been found, Schnerzinger launched the smaller-sized Piccolo Protectors.



Adding the Piccolo Protectors to the Troy+Protectors gives further enhancement in all aspects.



Michael of Zellation is also the sale manager/representative of Schnerzinger. He travels to Hong Kong and does home demo of Schnerzinger products regularly. This enables the customers to get the best configuration specific for their own systems.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

thanks CK........and Tang,

based on Tang's and your feedback I plan on trying this Schnerzinger gear at some point. maybe I will see it at RMAF.

why not?

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Thursday night I switched the Elite over to the amps, and the Troy Sig back to the sources. when I had originally moved the Troy Sig to the amps Monday evening, prior to the Elite arrival Tuesday, that was a significant jump up in performance over the Troy Sig on the sources (even without the Thor's), which I attributed to the more influential aspect of the amps to whole system performance. so wouldn't the Elite on the amps (and Troy Sig back on the sources) be a net gain too?

first; my perception of adding the Elite to the sources with the Troy Sig on the amps was a big thumbs up. more energy and power everywhere, and much more texture. more holographic and dimensional. a big step forward. Bravo Elite!!!

now switching the two Tripoints seemed the next step, which I did Thursday night.

now 36 hours later i'm underwhelmed with that move. it might have added a touch of added space and separation, maybe a tiny added degree of refinement, but there was a reduction in net energy and drive, and textures and the holographic aspect was noticeably less. and over that 36 hours I've not had a sense of any significant change. so this afternoon I switched them back and the thrill is back too. so the Elite seems to have a significantly greater influence on the sources, than the Troy Sig. it's also possible that the Troy Sig synergizes better with the amps. more likely the former I think.

anyway, i'm glad I tried it and so I won't need to think about it anymore and just go forward and enjoy.

in this last 36 hours I've downloaded 23 Challenge Classics dxd classical orchestral (and a couple sublime Bach vocal) recordings. simply amazing stuff. I've been enjoying them and the 'Tripoint Effect' is considerable in listening to Warp 9 digital classical music. with native dxd well recorded masters, forget any hardness or edge on peaks, this stuff has superior ease, texture, liquidity and articulation. massed strings are not glassy or bright, the sense of weight and authority is great vinyl like, and so I've been melting into this stuff.

native dxd seems to be supreme for digital formats in my experience if you have the right hardware. still limited amount of software so that view is provisional for now. but that's how it looks to me.

the SGM + MSB Select II are certainly doing their things too on these wonderful files.

the big rig is enjoying stretching it's legs a bit on these large scale jewels.

 

[Tango]

Thursday night I switched the Elite over to the amps, and the Troy Sig back to the sources. when I had originally moved the Troy Sig to the amps Monday evening, prior to the Elite arrival Tuesday,

Watch your back and remember to always lift up with your knees my friend .

Tang

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Watch your back and remember to always lift up with your knees my friend .

Tang

thank you Tang, for your concerns. at 66 years old, i'm very conscious of these type issues. it's especially an issue to make sure my feet are in secure spots and I have a good plan once I pick up the 100+ pound Elite. the 70+ pound Troy Sig not quite as serious a deal.

and those robust 3 inch long spikes extending below the Elite near my dart mono's gets my full attention too. a few very bad things could happen. i'm never in a hurry doing that sort of thing.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Mike, I'm your osteopath at the other end of the InterWeb to help you out.
However chances are you'll get stuck out of reach of yr keyboard, so I may never hear from you

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Mike, I'm your osteopath at the other end of the InterWeb to help you out.
However chances are you'll get stuck out of reach of yr keyboard, so I may never hear from you

thanks Marc. I know you would help if I needed it.

it's all about thinking before you leap. my job is anticipating disasters at work, and thereby avoiding them with 130 employees moving cars all around. but stuff does happen, I just hope not to me. I avoid ladders and roofs. and make sure the light is on for the stairway. it's just common sense mostly.

sometimes there is a meteor with your name on it.

 

[spiritofmusic]

I don't think there's a therapy answer to being hit by extra terrestrial rock formations

 

[BruceD]

Indeed with I'd taken more care in my younger days--with reference to Messes Krell,Levinson,Jadis,Pass,Cello,Rowland,Wilson,Rockport,Gryphon,Klipschorn,TannoyGRF, etc !

according to my Osteopath ---I now have a bent spine so I'm paying his kids thru private schools

Blah

BruceD