Once you have installed the Tripoint elite and it has settled somewhat casu quo has accustomed itself to your audio equipment it is going to be very hard for you to drag yourself out of your listening room: your elite is going to be something extraordinary and you will hear your system as you have never heard it before. I am sure you are going to be enchanted Mike.
Tripoint troy signature grounding device
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Now you see why I said I had most effect hooking it to my monos.
Pls keep calm and stop lightening up my fire again on grounding. I already told myself I have enough for grounding. You and Audiocrack are about to pull me back in with this Elite.
Tang
Now you see why I said I had most effect hooking it to my monos.
Pls keep calm and stop lightening up my fire again on grounding. I already told myself I have enough for grounding. You and Audiocrack are about to pull me back in with this Elite.
Tang
Hello Tang, although I fully understand what you are saying the Tripoint Elite is so special you should imho al least give it a listen. You will be amazed by it.
"Wife points" are fully depleted. Need some time to fill-up
Tang
Well, that is an ‘issue’ that I - and I suppose many of our members - fully recognize.
Why is that apparently such a small number of wives/girlfriends are willing to follow us in our music/audio quest?
Anyway, wait for the feedback of Mike and I am confident that you will be willing and able to collect additional ‘wife points’.
Now you see why I said I had most effect hooking it to my monos.
Dear Tang,
+1 !!!!!!!!!!
was not expecting such a significant delta of effect on the mono's over the sources without the Thor's. which makes me consider putting the Troy Sig back on the sources and using the Elite on the mono's. likely i'll have to try both ways to see where the biggest net result is. and the natural progression is adding second Elite for one in both spots and putting the Troy Sig over on the Studers + King Cello. OMG!!!
and it's even a little better yet this morning.....
btw; could not sleep much with this going on in my mind.
I completely understand the Tripoint crazies in HK on the AudioExotics forum now.
after posting your remarkable tt picture, how can you post that with a straight face?
i'm sure an Elite is on the way......
best regards,
Mike
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Dear Tang,
+1 !!!!!!!!!!
was not expecting such a significant delta of effect on the mono's over the sources without the Thor's. which makes me consider putting the Troy Sig back on the sources and using the Elite on the mono's. likely i'll have to try both ways to see where the biggest net result is. and the natural progression is adding second Elite for one in both spots and putting the Troy Sig over on the Studers + King Cello. OMG!!!
and it's even a little better yet this morning.....
btw; could not sleep much with this going on in my mind.
I completely understand the Tripoint crazies in HK on the AudioExotics forum now.
after posting your remarkable tt picture, how can you post that with a straight face?
i'm sure an Elite is on the way......
best regards,
Mike
Congrats....those big Dart toroidals need extreme grounding. No matter how much shielding is used for them,can't get rid of all the generated EMI.
Mike,no longer are SQ advances incremental. Now you are breaking thresholds,it is a real mind blower as you have found out.
the Elite has landed. it arrived at work a couple hours ago. I took a late lunch, drove home and unloaded it, unpacked it, and set it in place.
one heavy mother.
then connected it up. and.......went back to work (got a tt to pay for). it awaits my return......
one heavy mother.
then connected it up. and.......went back to work (got a tt to pay for). it awaits my return......
the Elite is the real deal. period.
i'm trying to capture what it's doing.....or rather....what they (the Troy Sig on the amps, and the Elite on the sources) are doing.....and what additional the Elite added this afternoon to last night and this morning's Troy Sig perceptions.
boiling it down and leaving out the considerable emotional response which these changes prompt;
adding the Elite did two obvious major things; (1) propelled the music, supercharged the bass, added energy everywhere and pushed the already holographic 'reach out and touch it' character to new levels, and (2) added tonal and textural shading like you cannot believe everywhere. everything is not only way more complex yet more real and natural. the combination of one and two is that the music is 'real' right here, and right now.
the total package i'm now hearing (and only digital so far) would be like finding the most holographic, harmonically rich, and delicate tube amplifier on the most dynamic horns, and combining that with the lowest noise floor solid state amps and true full range perfectly coherent dynamic speakers. and this all is just my short-cut to trying to wrap my arms around the all around effect of both units together, compared to where I was with just the Troy Sig on my sources prior to last night.
and maybe a simpler way to describe it would be more tube like and horn like, yet adding more solid state super low noise, vividness, and ultra cohesiveness.
and this is with the Troy Sig on the amps for almost 24 hours now, and playing music through the Elite on the sources for about 90 minutes.
i'm guessing that the Elite on the amps might be a net gain over what i'm now hearing, but it takes quite a bit of imagination to envision where that might be sonically.
right now i'm listening to a dxd 352-24 mastering of a jazz recording (likely a tape transfer) and i'm hearing things sound live. the energy projected is not like reproduced music. it's physical and the presence is palpable. no; it's not all the way there. but it's really spooky and gets to that 'suspension of disbelief' level easily. farther than before.
i'm trying to capture what it's doing.....or rather....what they (the Troy Sig on the amps, and the Elite on the sources) are doing.....and what additional the Elite added this afternoon to last night and this morning's Troy Sig perceptions.
boiling it down and leaving out the considerable emotional response which these changes prompt;
adding the Elite did two obvious major things; (1) propelled the music, supercharged the bass, added energy everywhere and pushed the already holographic 'reach out and touch it' character to new levels, and (2) added tonal and textural shading like you cannot believe everywhere. everything is not only way more complex yet more real and natural. the combination of one and two is that the music is 'real' right here, and right now.
the total package i'm now hearing (and only digital so far) would be like finding the most holographic, harmonically rich, and delicate tube amplifier on the most dynamic horns, and combining that with the lowest noise floor solid state amps and true full range perfectly coherent dynamic speakers. and this all is just my short-cut to trying to wrap my arms around the all around effect of both units together, compared to where I was with just the Troy Sig on my sources prior to last night.
and maybe a simpler way to describe it would be more tube like and horn like, yet adding more solid state super low noise, vividness, and ultra cohesiveness.
and this is with the Troy Sig on the amps for almost 24 hours now, and playing music through the Elite on the sources for about 90 minutes.
i'm guessing that the Elite on the amps might be a net gain over what i'm now hearing, but it takes quite a bit of imagination to envision where that might be sonically.
right now i'm listening to a dxd 352-24 mastering of a jazz recording (likely a tape transfer) and i'm hearing things sound live. the energy projected is not like reproduced music. it's physical and the presence is palpable. no; it's not all the way there. but it's really spooky and gets to that 'suspension of disbelief' level easily. farther than before.
90 minutes , it should mature over the next three days . My Troy Sig does respond to an isolation sandwich , isolation below ..damping above . You could experiment , later in the plot . Exciting times for you . Congratulations and enjoy in good health .
been doing vinyl for the last hour and a half.
really over the top stuff. it's amazing that wherever the starting point as media it (Elite + Troy Sig) encounters....... it has a multiplier effect of the musical essence. with vinyl's higher level of information, it pushes it that much farther. we are in new territory on every cut. the energy projected is remarkable. ease and authority are off the charts. bass weight and slam startling. separation and layering are so clear and natural. textures are complete. action within the note so tube like. again, that pushing past the feeling of reproduced into real stuff even further.
I can understand that small tweaks to the Tripoint's would clearly adjust the presentation considering their influence. care will need to be taken with that.
and the American Sounds will be even better than this? hard to grasp, but I know it will be.
really over the top stuff. it's amazing that wherever the starting point as media it (Elite + Troy Sig) encounters....... it has a multiplier effect of the musical essence. with vinyl's higher level of information, it pushes it that much farther. we are in new territory on every cut. the energy projected is remarkable. ease and authority are off the charts. bass weight and slam startling. separation and layering are so clear and natural. textures are complete. action within the note so tube like. again, that pushing past the feeling of reproduced into real stuff even further.
I can understand that small tweaks to the Tripoint's would clearly adjust the presentation considering their influence. care will need to be taken with that.
and the American Sounds will be even better than this? hard to grasp, but I know it will be.
Hi Mike
Thanks for the kind words on Ron's report at mine, you're always the gentleman audiophile.
I can only imagine the fun you're hearing, in my system every boost to grid integrity produces layer upon layer of pushing back noise, in my case now audiophile fuses are making me sit up and take notice.
Maybe when I'm done w the big investment in Stacore I'll get around to Troy.
All I can think in yr system which should already be as unadulterated as it gets with balanced power and being away from population centres, is that it can't escape component-borne noise, and this is where Troy is doing its thing.
With my Entreq being the least critical accessory here, I'd be very interested to hear if Troy could do a lot more.
Thanks for the kind words on Ron's report at mine, you're always the gentleman audiophile.
I can only imagine the fun you're hearing, in my system every boost to grid integrity produces layer upon layer of pushing back noise, in my case now audiophile fuses are making me sit up and take notice.
Maybe when I'm done w the big investment in Stacore I'll get around to Troy.
All I can think in yr system which should already be as unadulterated as it gets with balanced power and being away from population centres, is that it can't escape component-borne noise, and this is where Troy is doing its thing.
With my Entreq being the least critical accessory here, I'd be very interested to hear if Troy could do a lot more.
agree.
the beauty of everything being milled from solid billet of stainless steel is that it's easy for them to just add a grounding post anywhere. just tap the hole and add the screw. you are not messing with some delicate casting. it's solid stainless.
my plan is one on the plinth, one on each 1" thick stainless steel arm board, one on the motor and one on the controller. and a Furutech NCF IEC outlet on the controller. only the platter will be without a grounding post.
those are my 'mods'.
on my NVS I have one ground on each stainless arm board, and one on the power supply.
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Marc,
you are most welcome and I meant every word. you have a magical spot and it's you all the way. and many would love to trade places with you.
as far as noise and grounding; my strong hunch is that while I agree we are somewhat affecting power grid sourced noise, I think the majority of noise attenuation and dynamic performance increases is simply causing power supplies to be more linear (maybe the circuit better rejecting EMI/RF too being less vulnerable to it). and in a system already sorted out and high resolution you will hear the most subtle improvement in power supply performance. power supply performance is a huge percentage of any piece of gear and what we hear as nuance in the music, particularly in an amplifier. so when I moved the Troy Sig to the amps from the sources the previous night, even though I just used the standard ground cables and it was fresh in that new spot, the performance delta on degree of effect jumped out as better immediately since the power supplies of the amplifiers are so much more mission critical in overall system performance than anything else. it's the heart of things and everything springs from it.
likely there are other things in the circuit which get benefits too, but just like a model upgrade which improves the power supply, or a power cord upgrade, it's the power supply that is the 800 pound gorilla.
and being in a low noise environment (away from the city and sources of noise), and having a low noise power grid to begin will all allow the effect of grounding to be more easily heard and push things further. it all adds to the degree of getting out of the way of the musical flow and information.
Miguel also mentioned that the higher level solid state gear based systems have a higher grounding upside since noise is inherently lower overall, so perceived effect is higher. I've not done any comparison to comment other than it's logical......and he would know.
i'm not a techie and likely i'm over-simplifying but it's how I see it......and it's a logical result of my experience.
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Gee....Mike. That is AS in ICU.
it won't even feel it.
like a gnat on an Elephant's ass.
Mike
I love living vicariously through you. Keep it up! My wife does not mind when you spend money! Quick question. Does the Troy addition now render the Entreq stuff superfluous?
Marty
I love living vicariously through you. Keep it up! My wife does not mind when you spend money! Quick question. Does the Troy addition now render the Entreq stuff superfluous?
Marty
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