Tripoint troy signature grounding device

[spiritofmusic]

Too bad you can't reveal pricing.
I guess it's a case of "if you need to ask..."
I have other irons in the fire re grounding that don't involve Troy or Entreq, but thanks for the reply.
Keep us posted on further findings.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Too bad you can't reveal pricing.
I guess it's a case of "if you need to ask..."
I have other irons in the fire re grounding that don't involve Troy or Entreq, but thanks for the reply.
Keep us posted on further findings.

here is an idea about that.....

http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showt...ger-protectors&p=446436&viewfull=1#post446436

 

[spiritofmusic]

Well, that was painless, wasn't it Mike?
LOL.
Maybe next time I check Ferrari or Bentley pricing, I'll similarly be told the prices can't be divulged.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Well, that was painless, wasn't it Mike?
LOL.
Maybe next time I check Ferrari or Bentley pricing, I'll similarly be told the prices can't be divulged.

if you observe the link, you will notice you posted on that same page yourself last spring. the info is out there to easily find.....with a little digging. if a dealer asks a customer to avoid getting into price most customers will respect that. getting your undies in a bunch is not useful.

I do respect why expensive tweak prices are not published, as they become the topic and an impediment to investigating. some mystery is part of the vibe. it's a slippery slope....

but this aspect of things will never change and I respect that you are curious about what these things cost. me too.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Mike, I won't labor the point
Audiocrack already thinks I'm on an anti-Troy mission.
If I was against pricey accessories to enhance system performance, I certainly wouldn't be contemplating multiple Stacores.
And Jarek of Stacore was probably a bit backward in coming forward with rrps initially.
Anyhow, we know now.
I'm fascinated how many of these are needed in a room, and whether Tang is contemplating other Scherzinger anti noise products?
There's a whole range of magic boxes on their webpage.

 

[microstrip]

if you observe the link, you will notice you posted on that same page yourself last spring. the info is out there to easily find.....with a little digging. if a dealer asks a customer to avoid getting into price most customers will respect that. getting your undies in a bunch is not useful.

I do respect why expensive tweak prices are not published, as they become the topic and an impediment to investigating. some mystery is part of the vibe. it's a slippery slope....

but this aspect of things will never change and I respect that you are curious about what these things cost. me too.

I have to disagree with you on this aspect - I find this practice of hiding prices from consumers a poor practice that only creates mistrust and misgiving on the high-end. In fact, it is illegal in some countries to display any good in a shop without showing openly its price close to it - it created some problems to husbands hiding the high prices from their wives. When I entered this debate on Tripoint I though I would find a price list somewhere - looking at sites I only found rumors with a variation of almost an order of magnitude.

IMHO no one has ever presented a serious arguments why a public list price would be "an impediment to investigation".

 

[spiritofmusic]

+1 Micro.
There's no price cutting at the uber high end, evidenced by my gentle attempts to barter w the UK distribr of Troy, indeed not a penny less was offered.
I have ZERO problem with this, but let's just see price tags to gauge initial affordability.
So no risk Schnerzinger or Troy customers will resent others getting competitive dealer discounts elsewhere.
With this being true, transparency on pricing can have no objections.
If I peer in any shop with a window full of luxury goods, no price tags and evasive, sneering sales staff inside, and I can afford, I'll deliberately pass on a sale, even if I want the product, same for my GF too.
Uber priced stuff will always attract skepticism, but it's compounded if prices are hidden.
Just my (*amount not disclosed*) cents.

 

[Steve williams]

I tend to agree with Micro. Whats the big deal about posting MSRP and why should it be done in secret. Not the way I am used to doing business. I really don't care what people pay as that is their business but for other people who remain interested IMO this is just plain silly. It's like joining a fraternity and learning the secret handshake

 

[spiritofmusic]

I wish Larry David was an audiophile.
He could have based a whole episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm on the mock distaste for transparency of pricing, and worse sins, in the uber high end.
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And before I'm accused of not being consistent, I actually encouraged Jarek of Stacore to publish his rrp list, which he duly did, explaining to him that not doing so just engendered skepticism, and worse, opinions of snob elitism.

 

[BMCG]

I wish Larry David was an audiophile.
He could have based a whole episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm on the mock distaste for transparency of pricing, and worse sins, in the uber high end.
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And before I'm accused of not being consistent, I actually encouraged Jarek of Stacore to publish his rrp list, which he duly did, explaining to him that not doing so just engendered skepticism, and worse, opinions of snob elitism.

+1 well put Marc...well put.

if you can't defend your asking price with a value argument....why are you selling your goods?

 

[spiritofmusic]

BMCG, all part of the "if you need to ask, you can't afford" mentality.
Surely there can't be anything more embarrassing calling up a distrbr and then being told the price, and slinking away with your head bowed.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Tang, no ill will directed your way.
I realise the company has requested non transparency of pricing. But the rest of us can have an opinion of that policy as a result.
(Just in case you felt at all defensive).

 

[Mike Lavigne]

I have to disagree with you on this aspect - I find this practice of hiding prices from consumers a poor practice that only creates mistrust and misgiving on the high-end. In fact, it is illegal in some countries to display any good in a shop without showing openly its price close to it - it created some problems to husbands hiding the high prices from their wives. When I entered this debate on Tripoint I though I would find a price list somewhere - looking at sites I only found rumors with a variation of almost an order of magnitude.

IMHO no one has ever presented a serious arguments why a public list price would be "an impediment to investigation".

another aspect of this question is the role of dealers. many times manufacturers are protecting their dealers by pushing customers to the dealers for pricing.

so indignation from the web curious about price is not important to these brands, their customers are their dealers. in this day and age when we want 100% of the information right the hell now we have to get over ourselves a little I think.

brands do what they do. you may not be their customer. and the physiology of this approach might be the desired play they are looking for.

 

[Steve williams]

another aspect of this question is the role of dealers. many times manufacturers are protecting their dealers by pushing customers to the dealers for pricing.

so indignation from the web curious about price is not important to these brands, their customers are their dealers. in this day and age when we want 100% of the information right the hell now we have to get over ourselves a little I think.

brands do what they do. you may not be their customer. and the physiology of this approach might be the desired play they are looking for.

Seriously

 

[spiritofmusic]

Mike, I really respect you, but you're pushing justification of this a bit too far IMHO.
You're right on one thing though, these distribrs ARE the customers.
I know 3 UK guys who are the sole outlet for their beyond expensive gear.
Not one of them has sold a single item at their top range in years, so since they bought these pieces at cost price, 40% of retail, they
1- by definition are the customer
2- have a great system at home they enjoy for much less than we would have had to pay.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Seriously

OMG!!!!

I have to contact a dealer to ask the price!!!!

the horror!!!



btw; raise your hand if you've spent 40+ years in retail dealing day by day with real live customers personally.

this is just not that big a deal.

if you want the product you will put out the effort to find out what is important to you. if you don't want it that bad then you are not the customer....for these products.

 

[Steve williams]

OMG!!!!

I have to contact a dealer to ask the price!!!!

the horror!!!

That wasn't the part I was questioning Mike.

so indignation from the web curious about price is not important to these brands, their customers are their dealers. in this day and age when we want 100% of the information right the hell now we have to get over ourselves a little I think.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Mike, this is not the argument.
The argument is Tang was not at liberty to communicate the price.
My argument is not with him, or you, it's with a policy that says one can't even state the price publicly.
The next time a well known car manufacturer releases a new model, and buyers are not allowed to state the list price with the website having this info hidden, I'll feel the same way.
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I'm passing now, were badly off topic, and Tang may never post again feeling I've attacked him.
Not my intention Tang, please believe me.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Mike, this is not the argument.
The argument is Tang was not at liberty to communicate the price.
My argument is not with him, or you, it's with a policy that says one can't even state the price publicly.
The next time a well known car manufacturer releases a new model, and buyers are not allowed to state the list price with the website having this info hidden, I'll feel the same way.
---
I'm passing now, were badly off topic, and Tang may never post again feeling I've attacked him.
Not my intention Tang, please believe me.

this is not the 'regulated by law' car business where it's required by statute to post the MSRP on the car in very specific terms.

so that is not relevant.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Sure, well that's ok then.