Tripoint troy signature grounding device

[Tango]

Tang, no ill will directed your way.
I realise the company has requested non transparency of pricing. But the rest of us can have an opinion of that policy as a result.
(Just in case you felt at all defensive).

I am ok with all comments you guys made. When I said "I have no details on pricing," I honestly really meant that. I still do not know the retail price of Schnerzenger devices. I never asked. I demoed the product. I liked the products. I asked my agent "how much they would cost me" and told him not to make so much money on it. And he told me the ball park figure of the whole set that I want. So, I dont know the retail price. I only know the rough price my agent quoted to me and what I pay is between me and him. I expect everyone to respect that.

You guys just jumped into this price mystery issue because you interpret what I said as not willing to say the retail price or there are some hidden things. I am sure every product has a retail price and both Schenerzenger and Tripoint have them too. Come on guys, ask me the retail price of my fertilizer and I will tell you. I am not an audio dealer.

Kind regards,
Tang

 

[Mike Lavigne]

That wasn't the part I was questioning Mike.

you didn't like the 'get over ourselves' part.

I'm not retracting it.

and I include myself in the target audience from time to time. the web mentality is that we want to know everything right now. and sellers don't always want that to happen.

don't be offended. it's just reality.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Tang, peace .
Btw, we live in the country now, there's a LOT of fertilizer about ! LOL

 

[Tango]

and Tang may never post again feeling I've attacked him.
Not my intention Tang, please believe me.

I am still here .

Tang

 

[Tango]

Now I am thinking how many tons of fertilizer I have to sell to pay for an Elite

Tang

 

[microstrip]

another aspect of this question is the role of dealers. many times manufacturers are protecting their dealers by pushing customers to the dealers for pricing. (...)

The type of product we are addressing typically does not have a solid network of dealers - effectively their presence in public and reviews is mostly assured by the owner/developer.

My point is not criticizing individual manufacturers or people who have different opinions on the subject of public price lists. But we can not ignore that value for money is a key part of our hobby. How can a forum debate the wonderful sonic quality of products that we do know the price?

 

[Steve williams]

Mike, nobody ask you to retract anything. I will continue to disagree with you on this issue.

 

[Steve williams]

The type of product we are addressing typically does not have a solid network of dealers - effectively their presence in public and reviews is mostly assured by the owner/developer.

My point is not criticizing individual manufacturers or people who have different opinions on the subject of public price lists. But we can not ignore that value for money is a key part of our hobby. How can a forum debate the wonderful sonic quality of products that we do know the price?

Again I tend to agree. So to learn the price is it safe to sssume that only a dealer will tell us or as they say in the Cash Cab, can I call a friend.

IMO to have such a policy is counter productive and it is these sort of things that in my mind raises a red flag

This has nothing to do whatsoever with your points Mike.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Hi Tang, there is a ton of fertiliser for every inhabitant in this part of the world!

 

[Steve williams]

When all is said and done I am sure that the Tripoint line is an excellent product but here are the things that bother me.....

1. The issue of the MSRP of each unit seems clouded for reasons with which I and others suggest

2. My biggest issue with Tripoint and end users (and I have heard them on at least half dozen different systems) is trying to discover the virtues of what the unit contributes to each system. This is a simple A-B-A test. IOW play some music, then disconnect the grounding cables and play the same music again. I can say unequivocally that in 100% of cases, my asking the dealer or the end user at whose house I am listening to the product, has resulted in not one person saying, "sure. let's do it". This bothers me because if the changes are that dramatic why not let interested parties become convinced. Not one person I asked with either Tripoint devices and/or Entreq devices has agreed to disconnect the grounding cables and listen to the same music again.

 

[LL21]

When all is said and done I am sure that the Tripoint line is an excellent product but here are the things that bother me.....

1. The issue of the MSRP of each unit seems clouded for reasons with which I and others suggest

2. My biggest issue with Tripoint and end users (and I have heard them on at least half dozen different systems) is trying to discover the virtues of what the unit contributes to each system. This is a simple A-B-A test. IOW play some music, then disconnect the grounding cables and play the same music again. I can say unequivocally that in 100% of cases, my asking the dealer or the end user at whose house I am listening to the product, has resulted in not one person saying, "sure. let's do it". This bothers me because if the changes are that dramatic why not let interested parties become convinced. Not one person I asked with either Tripoint devices and/or Entreq devices has agreed to disconnect the grounding cables and listen to the same music again.

Hi Steve,

FWIW, I have done this purposely and by accident, and always found there to be a noticeable difference. That said, it is a pain to undo...because it then takes hours to stabilize again once you re-connect them. If you ever get your hands on an Entreq unit, it is pretty easy to do...but you do have to wait for anywhere from 20 minutes to 2 hours from first hook up...to then disconnect.

 

[microstrip]

Hi Steve,

FWIW, I have done this purposely and by accident, and always found there to be a noticeable difference. That said, it is a pain to undo...because it then takes hours to stabilize again once you re-connect them. If you ever get your hands on an Entreq unit, it is pretty easy to do...but you do have to wait for anywhere from 20 minutes to 2 hours from first hook up...to then disconnect.

Are you saying that if a Tripoint cable is disconnected for a few minutes you have to wait for some time before it shows its effect? Sorry, my current interest is only in Tripoint, not Entreqy - I appreciate strong poisons!

 

[Audiocrack]

When all is said and done I am sure that the Tripoint line is an excellent product but here are the things that bother me.....

1. The issue of the MSRP of each unit seems clouded for reasons with which I and others suggest

2. My biggest issue with Tripoint and end users (and I have heard them on at least half dozen different systems) is trying to discover the virtues of what the unit contributes to each system. This is a simple A-B-A test. IOW play some music, then disconnect the grounding cables and play the same music again. I can say unequivocally that in 100% of cases, my asking the dealer or the end user at whose house I am listening to the product, has resulted in not one person saying, "sure. let's do it". This bothers me because if the changes are that dramatic why not let interested parties become convinced. Not one person I asked with either Tripoint devices and/or Entreq devices has agreed to disconnect the grounding cables and listen to the same music again.

Steve, will all due respect but this is nonsense.

Re point 1: the retail prices of all available Tripoint products are set and easily available. If you are seriously interested, give Migue a call and you can find out for yourself. Nothing secret about those prices. However, I am not going to list them on WBF because unavoidable this ‘alarms’ the ‘price brigade trolls’ on this site.

Re point 2: pay Miguel a visit, listen to his high quality audio system and he will gladly demonstrate the difference with and without his ‘boxes’ and grounding cables. Furthermore, at various AE hifi shows in Hong Kong Miguel demonstrated to a large public this difference when he disconnected the super expensive and ultra high end systems from his ’grounding’ components.

I really don’t get it why people do not want to understand that these Tripoint devices are top notch components that will bring the best out of audio systems. Do you really think that the various Tripoint owners all over the world - many of them own world class systems - are fooling themselves with an ‘audio placedo’?

 

[LL21]

Are you saying that if a Tripoint cable is disconnected for a few minutes you have to wait for some time before it shows its effect? Sorry, my current interest is only in Tripoint, not Entreqy - I appreciate strong poisons!

Hi Micro,

What i mean is that if you disconnect a Tripoint (or Entreq), the 'downgrade' in quality should be instant. However, to then go back and get it back up to par performance when re-hook up the Tripoint, it can take several minutes. So you have an instant opportunity to hear WITHOUT Tripoint...but it takes several minutes to hear WITH Tripoint. (Same for Entreq).

 

[marty]

It's amazing that even with all this chatter not only are there no retail prices mentioned for any tripoint model, but I don't even see the models discussed listed on the tripoint website. It's hard to tell the players without a scorecard.

 

[Audiocrack]

Hi Micro,

What i mean is that if you disconnect a Tripoint (or Entreq), the 'downgrade' in quality should be instant. However, to then go back and get it back up to par performance when re-hook up the Tripoint, it can take several minutes. So you have an instant opportunity to hear WITHOUT Tripoint...but it takes several minutes to hear WITH Tripoint. (Same for Entreq).

That is completely correct, Lloyd, as regards Tripoint (have not heard the Entreq devices). I guess this is one of the reasons that audiophiles are not happy to unhook their audio components. And for myself: I learned the hard way that once your system is really shining, do not touch it. Even the repositioning of cables can be easily heard in my systems.

 

[microstrip]

Steve, will all due respect but this is nonsense.

Re point 1: the retail prices of all available Tripoint products are set and easily available. If you are seriously interested, give Migue a call and you can find out for yourself. Nothing secret about those prices. However, I am not going to list them on WBF because unavoidable this ‘alarms’ the ‘price brigade trolls’ on this site.

Re point 2: pay Miguel a visit, listen to his high quality audio system and he will gladly demonstrate the difference with and without his ‘boxes’ and grounding cables. Furthermore, at various AE hifi shows in Hong Kong Miguel demonstrated to a large public this difference when he disconnected the super expensive and ultra high end systems from his ’grounding’ components.

I really don’t get it why people do not want to understand that these Tripoint devices are top notch components that will bring the best out of audio systems. Do you really think that the various Tripoint owners all over the world - many of them own world class systems - are fooling themselves with an ‘audio placedo’?

As far as I know we do not have ‘price brigade trolls’ on this site. We sometimes have people who expressed their doubts concerning high price items and fortunately people who have other views on them and usually debate them. If Tripoint prefer not to divulge prices, they must be prepared to accept criticism on that.

Concerning point 2, I find your visit or show demo argument does not bring nothing to the thread. This forum was created to share opinions and it is what we are doing. Placing ourselves in an ivory tower will not bring interest and activity to this forum. People would understand better that the devices are top notch components if current users give facts and do not hide behind the argument that many people own them. Steve asked a valid question, we hope that Tripoint experienced owners will elucidate us with their answers.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

I've posted Tripoint prices twice in this thread already, in the last month

 

[elescher]

I bought the original Troy about three, maybe four years ago. I paid 10k for it with standard grounding wires. I only thought of it as icing on the cake, nothing more. After I spoke with Miguel about the issues I was having with a cracked top and loose binding post, he covinced me that I had to try the Elite. He told me the Elite sold for 15k but offered it for 10k, and also offered to exchange the original for upgraded grounding wires, (never happened) I am going to open the original Troy up and have a look and see what his technology is, and make it a sacrificial learning tool. Since I never got any of his 'better' grounding cables as he always seems to not have them when I ask, I can 't really say what they offer in terms of improvement. A couple months ago Miguel sent me an invoice for $2600.00 (somewhere around there) for a step up from the basic cable but I didn't feel it would be worth the ROI all things considered.

 

[Audiocrack]

As far as I know we do not have ‘price brigade trolls’ on this site. We sometimes have people who expressed their doubts concerning high price items and fortunately people who have other views on them and usually debate them. If Tripoint prefer not to divulge prices, they must be prepared to accept criticism on that.

Concerning point 2, I find your visit or show demo argument does not bring nothing to the thread. This forum was created to share opinions and it is what we are doing. Placing ourselves in an ivory tower will not bring interest and activity to this forum. People would understand better that the devices are top notch components if current users give facts and do not hide behind the argument that many people own them. Steve asked a valid question, we hope that Tripoint experienced owners will elucidate us with their answers.

Well Micro, then it is clear that we (strongly) disagree on this. And yes, there are quite a few of the trolls I mentioned earlier if you look closely on this site.