Tripoint troy signature grounding device

[microstrip]

(...) And for myself: I learned the hard way that once your system is really shining, do not touch it. Even the repositioning of cables can be easily heard in my systems.

I think most of us have such experience. I have been playing with some complete looms of power and signal cables in my system. The space behind the speakers and all the room looked like a cobra lair, several tens of cables were laying around. After getting an extraordinary result and listening for a while, I cleared the space taking out all non used cables and power distributors. After clearance the sound quality decreased significantly. . A good friend who helped me in this session only asked - what did you do to the system?

 

[spiritofmusic]

Audiocrack, you really need to check out genuine internet trolls if you think some persistent questioning on Troy is authentic trolling.
Maybe you can then report back to us.

 

[LL21]

I think most of us have such experience. I have been playing with some complete looms of power and signal cables in my system. The space behind the speakers and all the room looked like a cobra lair, several tens of cables were laying around. After getting an extraordinary result and listening for a while, I cleared the space taking out all non used cables and power distributors. After clearance the sound quality decreased significantly. . A good friend who helped me in this session only asked - what did you do to the system?

ughh...i have had a few times when 'something went wrong'...and it took hours to get it back. Fortunately, have managed to do so each time, but it is always frustrating.

 

[Audiocrack]

Audiocrack, you really need to check out genuine internet trolls if you think some persistent questioning on Troy is authentic trolling.
Maybe you can then report back to us.

Have better things to do, Spirit. Not going to waste my time on this.

 

[Audiocrack]

I bought the original Troy about three, maybe four years ago. I paid 10k for it with standard grounding wires. I only thought of it as icing on the cake, nothing more. After I spoke with Miguel about the issues I was having with a cracked top and loose binding post, he covinced me that I had to try the Elite. He told me the Elite sold for 15k but offered it for 10k, and also offered to exchange the original for upgraded grounding wires, (never happened) I am going to open the original Troy up and have a look and see what his technology is, and make it a sacrificial learning tool. Since I never got any of his 'better' grounding cables as he always seems to not have them when I ask, I can 't really say what they offer in terms of improvement. A couple months ago Miguel sent me an invoice for $2600.00 (somewhere around there) for a step up from the basic cable but I didn't feel it would be worth the ROI all things considered.

The prices mentioned for the Elite are not correct. Ordering a cable and then not follow up?

 

[Steve williams]

Steve, will all due respect but this is nonsense.

Re point 1: the retail prices of all available Tripoint products are set and easily available. If you are seriously interested, give Migue a call and you can find out for yourself. Nothing secret about those prices. However, I am not going to list them on WBF because unavoidable this ‘alarms’ the ‘price brigade trolls’ on this site.

Re point 2: pay Miguel a visit, listen to his high quality audio system and he will gladly demonstrate the difference with and without his ‘boxes’ and grounding cables. Furthermore, at various AE hifi shows in Hong Kong Miguel demonstrated to a large public this difference when he disconnected the super expensive and ultra high end systems from his ’grounding’ components.

I really don’t get it why people do not want to understand that these Tripoint devices are top notch components that will bring the best out of audio systems. Do you really think that the various Tripoint owners all over the world - many of them own world class systems - are fooling themselves with an ‘audio placedo’?

Relax and take a deep breath Rudolph. I am not implying that but I am saying that dealers and users alike have all refused to listen with grounding cables disconnected. I am sure they are top notch but why is it impossible to hear the same music with cables disconnected. I am quite interested but I am merely saying that these two issues are, well, issues for me. I had the same problem when at an MQA demo i was not allowed to hear the same MQA file in its red book version

 

[elescher]

The prices mentioned for the Elite are not correct. Ordering a cable and then not follow up?

I don't understand your post. Are you saying that I was not told this, or that I am being deceitful? Are you criticizing me for ordering something and not following through, or am I losing something in translation?

 

[Audiocrack]

Relax and take a deep breath Rudolph. I am not implying that but I am saying that dealers and users alike have all refused to listen with grounding cables disconnected. I am sure they are top notch but why is it impossible to hear the same music with cables disconnected. I am quite interested but I am merely saying that these two issues are, well, issues for me. I had the same problem when at an MQA demo i was not allowed to hear the same MQA file in its red book version

No need at all to relax and take a deep breath, Steve. Your issues are in my view no real issues if you are willing to investigate some time and energy. Several Tripoint retail prices have been mentioned before on WBF and are no secret. As regards the unwillingness to disconnect: see my reaction to the (wise) words of Lloyd. You can contact Miguel and he will undoubtedly be willing to help you out with all the questions you might have.

 

[Audiocrack]

I don't understand your post. Are you saying that I was not told this, or that I am being deceitful? Are you criticizing me for ordering something and not following through, or am I losing something in translation?

No, you are losing nothing in translation.

 

[microstrip]

I've posted Tripoint prices twice in this thread already, in the last month

Thanks Mike, I have found post 877 http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?11905-Tripoint-troy-signature-grounding-device&p=468665&viewfull=1#post468665http://

But I wanted to get a full view of all Tripoint products and their prices before asking questions.

Although they are not equivalent, Tripoint and Entreq belong to the same family of products. Entreq products are much easier to to get in for european users. What can we get sonic wise with Tripoint that we can not get with Entreq?

 

[Jazzhead]

What's all the flap about ? Weren't Tripoint prices posted a few pages back . As for disconnecting the ground leads, have seen and heard Miguel do this at the AE show . The sound plain shriveled up , shrank into dismal insignificance in comparison . On disconnecting you can hear the drop immediately. Time for it to regain stability , will depend upon how long the leads have been kept disconnected . I think there is sufficient feedback and from credible quarters at that , for people on the fence to have a go and experience the goodness of grounding .

 

[elescher]

Whatever.....if it helps to clarify pricing (which is all I was/am trying to do) I paid 10k for the original Troy, and 10k for the Elite. I have no need for two Troy's. My 'deal' was to exchange the old Troy for the 'better' grounding cable. The $2600.00 bill I got was either because Miguel forgot about or agreement, or there was a misunderstanding from the get go. Not the point of my original post. I had the original Troy sold, but the buyer decided not to pursue. For the record, I don't appreciate being called a liar, but your unjustifiable accusations (after all you weren't there) do lend credence to you calling things how you see them. It's all good.

 

[Jazzhead]

Whatever.....if it helps to clarify pricing (which is all I was/am trying to do) I paid 10k for the original Troy, and 10k for the Elite. I have no need for two Troy's. My 'deal' was to exchange the old Troy for the 'better' grounding cable. The $2600.00 bill I got was either because Miguel forgot about or agreement, or there was a misunderstanding from the get go. Not the point of my original post. I had the original Troy sold, but the buyer decided not to pursue. For the record, I don't appreciate being called a liar, but your unjustifiable accusations (after all you weren't there) do lend credence to you calling things how you see them. It's all good.

Do we understand clearly , that you paid 10k$ for the current Elite . The same one Mike L has ???

 

[Audiocrack]

Whatever.....if it helps to clarify pricing (which is all I was/am trying to do) I paid 10k for the original Troy, and 10k for the Elite. I have no need for two Troy's. My 'deal' was to exchange the old Troy for the 'better' grounding cable. The $2600.00 bill I got was either because Miguel forgot about or agreement, or there was a misunderstanding from the get go. Not the point of my original post. I had the original Troy sold, but the buyer decided not to pursue. For the record, I don't appreciate being called a liar, but your unjustifiable accusations (after all you weren't there) do lend credence to you calling things how you see them. It's all good.

No, I was not there but checked with Miguel before I posted. You never paid for nor got a Troy elite.

 

[Audiocrack]

Do we understand clearly , that you paid 10k$ for the current Elite . The same one Mike L has ???

See my reaction to his post, Arshad. He did not pay for, did not order nor got a Troy Elite.

 

[Jazzhead]

Hello Arshad, give me a few weeks and then I will answer your question, okay? Quite a lot is actually going on my (La Assoluta) side.

Hi Rudolf , look forward to your feedback . Good luck with the moves .

 

[Audiocrack]

Hi Rudolf , look forward to your feedback . Good luck with the moves .

Thanks Arshad. Will report as soon as everything has (more or less) been worked out. Hopefully that will be in a few weeks time.

 

[elescher]

Boys!!! My Bad...It is a Troy Signature!!! SORRY TO ALL!!

 

[Steve williams]

No need at all to relax and take a deep breath, Steve. Your issues are in my view no real issues if you are willing to investigate some time and energy. Several Tripoint retail prices have been mentioned before on WBF and are no secret. As regards the unwillingness to disconnect: see my reaction to the (wise) words of Lloyd. You can contact Miguel and he will undoubtedly be willing to help you out with all the questions you might have.

Thanks Rudolph

My point is not deception at all but rather the fact that this would be for every new listener to the product a verifiable and instant way to know the effect. To me that is the selling point. I have no idea when i go to a show what effect a Tripoint is contributing to that system in general as I have never heard that system before so all I am saying is unless you have heard it in your own system before and after or heard it in someone else's system before and after, a new listener won't be able to tell what the sonic difference is. Knowing you and Mike and everyone else to be hard core audiophiles with strong systems to back up claims to which I have no doubt. But for me or someone like micro who takes a great interest in the product and ask what I think are good questions the best learning instant experience is to listen before and after. It might sway more customers who sit the fence. Nothing more. You guys suggest I am asserting the cup is half empty when I am merely saying the cup is half full

 

[Audiocrack]

Thanks Rudolph

My point is not deception at all but rather the fact that this would be for every new listener to the product a verifiable and instant way to know the effect. To me that is the selling point. I have no idea when i go to a show what effect a Tripoint is contributing to that system in general as I have never heard that system before so all I am saying is unless you have heard it in your own system before and after or heard it in someone else's system before and after, a new listener won't be able to tell what the sonic difference is. Knowing you and Mike and everyone else to be hard core audiophiles with strong systems to back up claims to which I have no doubt. But for me or someone like micro who takes a great interest in the product and ask what I think are good questions the best learning instant experience is to listen before and after. It might sway more customers who sit the fence. Nothing more. You guys suggest I am asserting the cup is half empty when I am merely saying the cup is half full

Fair enough, Steve. And just to be sure: Never thought for one moment you had any deception in mind.