Not all....never mind. I'll just say that I beg to respectfully differ....but on a completely separate thread. This thread IMO, isn't worth it.
Tom
Tom
Tweaks, Cables, and Filtration: Essential for World-Class Stereo Performance?
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The money back guarantee should quiet a lot of skepticism and fencing. But sometimes people would rather fence on-line in theory than audition at home in practice.
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Natural? Open? To what definition?
Place that cable in three different systems, and you will get three distinct results. Can you guarantee that the same “natural sound” will be preserved across a SET+horn system, a Magico+Boulder setup, and a vintage system? No, you cannot predict with certainty how the system will sound with a specific cable. Why? Because the interaction between the speakers and the room plays the most decisive role in shaping the overall sound.
All audio systems are inherently dependent on their components and environment, making it impossible to guarantee a consistent “natural” sound from a single cable across different setups
Some cables have higher resistance and capacitance than others and act as a low-pass crossover. Used in a “bright” system, it makes that system less bright and more pleasant. However, in a previously neutral system the sound quality could end up muddy, closed in, unpleasant. Using wires to “tune” a system is a testament to the fact that not every cable is neutral. And neutral cables do not improve the sound of a system, they just don’t denigrate it.
But this thread was not just about cables, it was about other ways of ripping off the customer. Remember these?:
Shakti stones
But this thread was not just about cables, it was about other ways of ripping off the customer. Remember these?:
Shakti stones
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Cable neutrality, musicality, resolution, they are all system-dependent. It’s also why I build tuning options into SR cables—not that they get into the “signal path,” but rather interact with the electromagnetic field around the cable. These options affect subtle but powerful changes where system compatibility and voicing are concerned.
This five year old video demonstrates tuning options for Synergistic Research cables.
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I agree with this. Some "tweaks" have a profound effect on noise floor. Even the best electronics need a little help.
Please tell us the exact system circumstances and comparison methodology in which you personally auditioned Shakti stones and concluded they do not make a difference in the sound of the system.
Ironically, I introduced Shakti Stones to the market at CES back in the mid-90s. This was when I was still primarily living in my factory, sleeping on a futon. Ben approached me, and I secured the contract to market them for the first year.
Instead of listening to this lengthy pseudo-scientific drivel all one needs to do is to listen to different PCs in their own system.
That poor horse had died many times over long time ago.
Nice trick, but let’s be real —it’s just a basic equalizer.
At the price of an SRX, SRX XL or Galileo discovery speaker cable, you’re better off investing in a real solution. High-quality room correction systems like Trinnov or Dirac deliver unmatched results, letting you customize the sound to perfection voicing while also addressing the acoustic issues in your room. That’s something no cable, no matter how expensive, can ever achieve.
1) In a subjective hobby going by what other people say is inherently logically flawed. This is because you cannot substitute their personal subjective preferences for your personal subjective sonic preferences (unless they overlap by random coincidence).
2) Do you really believe that making an assertion, and then attempting to support the assertion with some random internet person* who asserts the same view, achieves a powerful, persuasive, convincing argument?
*This kind of argument is sometimes called "an appeal to authority." But if the person you are debating doesn't acknowledge and agree that the person you are proffering as an authority truly is an authority, then nothing has been accomplished, and your argument has not been buttressed.
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How are Synergistic Research products in any way a “basic equalizer”? The electromagnetic fields around our cables, components, power cords, and the ensuing interactions between these fields are largely responsible for system-dependent selection in terms of what will sound best in a system. These fields affect the sound of our systems, whether we like it or pay attention to it or not. That’s just basic scientific fact. What I do is engineer products that enable you to take control of random electromagnetic interactions, thereby creating synergy while overcoming negative externalities like brightness, tubby bass, lack of soundstage depth, and virtually all aspects of reproduced sound. The fact that our demonstrations at trade shows are getting dramatically better over the past few years is the result of continuous refinement of SR technologies.
Ted Denney
Lead designer CEO Synergistic Research Inc.
Tedd,
Let me clarify where I’m coming from. When I referred to SR products as a "basic equalizer," I wasn’t dismissing the role of electromagnetic fields or the nuances they can introduce into a system. Rather, I was pointing out that their effect—be it through field manipulation, tuning devices, or cables—primarily fine-tunes the balance of the frequency spectrum or other perceptible audio characteristics. This isn’t fundamentally different from what high-quality room correction systems like Trinnov or Dirac achieve, albeit through different mechanisms.
The difference is scalability and versatility. Room correction systems address not only the interactions within the gear itself but also the most significant variable in any system: the listening environment. They tackle room modes, reflections, and time alignment issues, offering a level of precision and repeatability that external hardware or cables alone cannot match.
Synergistic Research has undoubtedly developed intriguing solutions for optimizing electromagnetic interactions. Still, as you’ve said, these are system-dependent tweaks. They excel within the context of the gear's interactions but don’t solve broader challenges that affect every listening space.
Are you asserting that if a system has digital room correction, the effects of Synergistic Research products will not be audible or beneficial? Never mind the fact that Synergistic Research technologies are non-intrusive and not subtractive in the way digital equalization is. I’m curious if you’re stating that these competing technologies, which you purport to be superior, would render what we do unnecessary or perhaps inaudible. Are you asserting that digital equalization can achieve the same end result as Synergistic Research UEF and ULF broadcast and bias technology?
Ted Denney
Lead designer CEO Synergistic Research Inc.
I listened to different PCs in my system and found no improvement over stock wire before listening to engineers explain why.
Well I'll be darned and all along I thought you hired David Copperfield ...............
In my opinion a good cable is one that lets the music flow through. So that was my thinking when I commented. If one especially wants a warmer sound then that could theoretically take away from resolution and the system could in some people’s ears take a step back.
That’s a very odd takeaway. In every system I have tried, a switch to a better power cable made a difference. Stock cables are invariably holding back the sound.
