US Anti-Doping Agency charges Armstrong

[rbbert]

The objective of the conspiracy (if there is one) should be obvious and has been previously mentioned here. A good way (probably one of the best from a practical viewpoint) to focus attention on a perceived crisis (in this case doping in professional cycling) is to have a high profile (in this case highest profile) offender.

I'm not saying that's what's happening here, but it is a possible explanation.

 

[NorthStar]

---Listen folks, read the news real good, and you'll see that eleven people said all the exact same thing regarding Lance. It is overwhelming obvious what they all said; and they were interrogated one at a time.

And now Lance faces charges of perjury, plus restitution of seven million dollars (roughly) for those bonus prices that came with his 'medals' given by France over the years.

Most (if not all) commandites don't want to have any association whatsoever with him anymore, forever!

And Lance is facing jail terms! ...He has thirty days to object the decision.

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- This is big, and there is NO CONSPIRACY at all! It's a tremendous fair effort from outside organizations working in concert together.
Lance is nothing; it is the entire professional cycling sport who's taking an unforgettable blow all across the people running it, running out of it, and running in the competitions themselves; the pro cyclists who take drugs, and the people (medics) who are hiding them or tempering with them drug tests.

We live in a world of technologies where people are cheating the system; but humans are still part of the equation, and that is Lance's downfall at the end. He created that situation for himself; and he now has to face the facts and consequences. ...And by still denying it he just dig his own hole deeper and deeper!

It's up to him if he wants to tell the truth or not; but he's scared right now because of eveything he faces losing! But when you already lost everything important, might is well tell the truth now. ...Or go live into oblivion for the rest of your life with all the legacy you're leaving to generations to come. Lance is not the sufferer; it's the kids and the sport who are! Lance just screwed it big time for all the fans , the sport itself, and all the kids of tomorrow!

He's a huge disgrace, and it's time for him now to admit the truth and only all the truth.

 

[rbbert]

I've missed the news about perjury and jail time. Do you have links for those?

 

[NorthStar]

I've missed the news about perjury and jail time. Do you have links for those?

---No Rob, but it was on the French news (yesterday).
And I'm sure you can find it easily from all over as it is indeed all over.
=> Just google: Lance Armstrong facing possible perjury charges, and jail sentence.

If Lance doesn't reply to the decision (appeal), then there is a full set of new wheels that'll come down on him.
...And stiff fines, money restitution (several millions), plus facing perjury because he lied under oath, and that you cannot or you'll go in jail if found guilty, just like Marion Jones did before (she went in jail for six months).

 

[rbbert]

I googled before I posted, and couldn't find anything relevant. Even using your search terminology I find nothing but unfounded speculation by a couple of dilettantes.

I'm not trying to minimize this whole sordid affair, but there's a whole lot we (the public) don't know at this time, and trying to pretend there's not a huge political and PR agenda at work here is ridiculously naive.

 

[NorthStar]

---Wow, you're not a big google searcher. ...Lesse what I can do for you ....

EDIT: I just had over 469,000 hits!
Here's the first four of them:

1. http://www.3news.co.nz/Lance-Armstr...arges/tabid/415/articleID/272960/Default.aspx

2. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...ould-face-five-years-in-jail-for-perjury.html

3. http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/7821485/Lance-Armstrong-at-risk-to-perjury-charges

4. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...673/Lance-Armstrong-face-perjury-charges.html

 

[NorthStar]

---Google searcher; googler? ...Or you can also try Bing. ...Binger?

 

[Johnny Vinyl]

I googled before I posted, and couldn't find anything relevant. Even using your search terminology I find nothing but unfounded speculation by a couple of dilettantes.

I'm not trying to minimize this whole sordid affair, but there's a whole lot we (the public) don't know at this time, and trying to pretend there's not a huge political and PR agenda at work here is ridiculously naive.

I've heard this mentioned so many times, but I fail to see why there is an agenda. What reason does the U.S. government have to go after a U.S. citizen? Usually the agenda by the government is to protect and whitewash actions by high-profile people so as not to have the nation tarnished. I'd like some clarity on this as I'm not understanding the "witch-hunt" that many say took place.

 

[rbbert]

---Wow, you're not a big google searcher. ...Lesse what I can do for you ....

EDIT: I just had over 469,000 hits!
Here's the first four of them:

1. http://www.3news.co.nz/Lance-Armstr...arges/tabid/415/articleID/272960/Default.aspx

2. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...ould-face-five-years-in-jail-for-perjury.html

3. http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/7821485/Lance-Armstrong-at-risk-to-perjury-charges

4. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...673/Lance-Armstrong-face-perjury-charges.html

As I said, opinions of a couple of dilettantes. I didn't mean I didn't find anything, I meant anything new of significance. He's not likely to be found guilty of perjury, probably not even charged, based on what's been made public so far.

 

[rbbert]

I've heard this mentioned so many times, but I fail to see why there is an agenda. What reason does the U.S. government have to go after a U.S. citizen? Usually the agenda by the government is to protect and whitewash actions by high-profile people so as not to have the nation tarnished. I'd like some clarity on this as I'm not understanding the "witch-hunt" that many say took place.

Once again, THE USADA IS NOT A GOVERNMENT AGENCY!! (sorry for shouting). The US government investigation was tabled in Feb 2012; that's not to say it couldn't be reusrrected, but as of now there are no official prosecutors or law enforement agencies involved in this. The USADA has made no bones about the fact that it has been going after Armstrong for many years, for the reasons I noted above. But once again, it is not part of the US or any national government.

It is a "witch hunt" in the traditional sense, i.e. people are given byes or reduced penalties for co-operating in bringing down a bigger fish.

 

[GaryProtein]

Why is it fair to gain advantage by having better equipment, better teammates, better coaching, better nutrition etc etc but unfair to gain advantage by taking drugs?

It shouldn't be! It isn't any different.


They all take performance enhancing drugs in all the sports. They all lie about it. Some get caught, some don’t. Everybody lies. Some to themselves, others to everybody else. They will end up giving Lance Armstrong's awards to the #2 person who was probably also doping! I know, I know, I'm a cynic, but I am also realistic. This will level the playing field and the players can then just concentrate on being great.


THEY SHOULD LEGALIZE ALL THE PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS. The courts and Congress (the baseball fiasco) should stay the hell out of this.


Let the athletes take them just like vitamins. They still have to maintain a disciplined physical training program.


If these drugs are required to win, and the top competitors believe winning is so important, let them just be part of the training program.


Are there long term detrimental health benefits, absolutely. Men develop breasts, baldness, shrunken testicles, infertility. Women may develop a deeper voice, increased body hair, baldness and an enlarged clitoris (which some couples may find beneficial ). Men and women may experience severe acne, tendon rupture, liver disease, pathologic cholesterol levels, hypertension, circulatory problems, aggressive behavior, psychiatric disorders, drug dependence, and decreased longevity, among others.


The top competitors make real sacrifices in their lifestyle when they train. The above list is just a few more sacrifices they may need to and are willing to make.


HOWEVER, THE REWARDS FOR MAKING THESE SACRIFICES ARE GREAT. You get recognition you might otherwise never receive, you get financial rewards, fame, “rewards” from the opposite sex, you are seen as an authority in your field, and people look up to you. Winning is very important and athletes should be given whatever they need to achieve their goals. Besides, the crowds love to see records broken and great feats accomplished.




If you think this is a joke, it isn’t I am dead serious. They should legalize these drugs and just get on with the sports.

 

[NorthStar]

Once again, THE USADA IS NOT A GOVERNMENT AGENCY!! (sorry for shouting). The US government investigation was tabled in Feb 2012; that's not to say it couldn't be reusrrected, but as of now there are no official prosecutors or law enforement agencies involved in this. The USADA has made no bones about the fact that it has been going after Armstrong for many years, for the reasons I noted above. But once again, it is not part of the US or any national government.

It is a "witch hunt" in the traditional sense, i.e. people are given byes or reduced penalties for co-operating in bringing down a bigger fish.

-----My dear Rob,

1. Lance Armstrong is just not a USA citizen; he's a citizen of the planet Earth too and he competes all around his planet!
2. I believe that there is indeed a law enforcement organization involved, and not just in the USA; working in tandem with the USADA.
3. The USA is not the entire world!
4. Other countries of the world have their own set of laws; do you know them all?
5. Lance Armstrong just happened to be from the US and he lied and he's a cheater, period!

You can say all you want from your own record of laws and beliefs; the fact is that the news don't lie! In this case here.
And yes, he is guilty even before being declared a convict! It's just the name of the game that he played!
And I bet that he will do some jail time too. He deserves it; for all the people he deceived.

And this, is just a little tiny part of my

 

[Gregadd]

Guilt requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt as judged by a jury of his peers based on competent evidence. The USADA requires only clear and convincing by any reliable means adjudicated by a tribunal. .

 

[rbbert]

Bob, I thought better of you. Have you heard the saying "contempt prior to investigation"? Hint: it's usually not meant as a compliment. None of us on this forum have anywhere near enough information to be able to confidently defend the position you have taken. You are certainly entitled to your opinion as to Armstrong's guilt or innocence in a variety of areas, but you should be aware that it is an opinion formed with insufficient information to meet most accepted standards of fact.

And in fact the news does lie, that's been repeatedly demonstrated. www.factchecker.org

 

[NorthStar]

---You've just said it Rob; it is my own opinion based on my own set of informations. No science here. And for me, right now, it is sufficient. ...But I'm always open to turn-arounds.

I'm not on the sidelines of the laws, but from the news, just simple as that.
And I respect more the regular citizens of the EARTH who are honest to themselves, and others.

What you think of me is not under my control of beliefs; it is your own set of ethics.
And tomorrow they might improve. :b

 

[rockitman]

Guilt requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt as judged by a jury of his peers based on competent evidence. The USADA requires only clear and convincing by any reliable means adjudicated by a tribunal. .

Good for trying terrorists though.....

 

[NorthStar]

---...And professional sport cheaters who defeat the drug test's system. :b

 

[DaveyF]

What I think is the saddest indictment to this whole story, is the fact that Lance Armstrong, apparently having just beaten cancer, has to pollute his body with performance drugs to "compete" and hopefully garner wealth and fame. If true, what a sad and pathetic individual.

 

[Gregadd]

---...And professional sport cheaters who defeat the drug test's system. :b

Do you have an affirmative explanation why he tested negative?

 

[Gregadd]

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