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US Anti-Doping Agency charges Armstrong
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All very interesting, Greg. Doesn't necessarily apply in other countries besides the US.
Nonetheless, I think that the only court that is going to try Lance is the court of public opinion--there the "rules" aren't so pre-determined as the court of 'law'. I suspect that the 'jury' is already out in the court of public opinion and the verdict has already been determined. Failing any further evidence, I happen to think this verdict is obvious and probably well justified.
Lance rose in the eyes of public... Lance falls in the same eyes. No need for criminal prosecution... yet.
-----No, I am not a doctor, and I don't know all the ins and outs of the medical sector as related to what can be hidden or not in the human body. ...Chemistry and human biology are not my fortes.
But I got a strong feeling that as days go by we will find out more. :b
If you were a US citizen, I would assume you know? As a Canadian, though, I can't be as sure.
Is there any actual "evidence"? Is testimony before the USADA considered "evidence" of equal merit to laboratory drug testing (I don't know the answer; Greg? anyone?)
Quoted from the US. Constitution Bill of Rights>
Listen I'm like the Comedian Gallegher, "I hate it when my heroes let me down."
OTOH when you start talking about sending someone to jail and taking their property away there is a process to be followed.
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-----Me truly believe, and we all know for a fact, that this doesn't hold a single candle! :b
---Greg and Rob, I respect your viewpoints and your beliefs, like I respect my owns.
It is one thing to abide by a set of laws and words written in our constitutions (bills of rights and freedom) from all around the world; not just in the USA, or Canada. But true reality is different; it ain't working like that. ...That's all. :b
It is one thing to abide by a set of laws and words written in our constitutions (bills of rights and freedom) from all around the world; not just in the USA, or Canada. But true reality is different; it ain't working like that. ...That's all. :b
From what i understand the leaders are tested after every stage of TdF. Those who knew Lance was using drugs should also how he defeated the test. This is especially true if he forced them to use the same drug,
My guess is we will all know more soon enough. Based upon some of the links Bob posted, there are those that are going after him for return of monies paid, jail time, etc. When that happens, more will come out. Until then we are all (Bob included) just guessing, giving us something to do while our tube equipment warms up, cables break in, wine gets to the correct temperature or dinner is ready !!
-----Well put! ...And of course I am only expressing my thoughts on this very sad situation.
But like everyone else I have much more to learn, and we all will, as time goes by.
I also know how some of you here feel about Lance (Christian, Rob, Greg, ...), and me too I have my own feelings.
I don't try to impose them, never; we all have our own set of laws, life's principles, and we simply share them no more no less. Who's got the best feelings? :b ...Well, we can't truly answer that one, I think.
It's quite likely that he did not "pollute his body"; in fact, the "performance enhancing" substances he most likely used would also have likely been used during his treatment for and recovery from cancer and the drugs used to treat that cancer. EPO, blood transfusions, testosterone (for someone missing one or both testes), etc. I'm not saying that there are no adverse consequences from doing this, but these are all substances the body (all of our bodies) makes.
Furthermore, it's not clear what laws he might have broken. If he used prescription medications prescribed by a doctor in a jurisdiction where the doctor had an active license to practice, there is no illegality. In general, breaking the rules of an athletic competition is not breaking the law. Fraud could be another matter.
Whether or not Armstrong "cheated", he is the victim of a "witch hunt"; he should not be deprived of due process, just as none of us should be. That is the issue, Bob; you have no idea how I feel about Lance Armstrong, because I don't see that as the real issue here.
---Well, did he lie or not under oath? Because if he did that could cost him five years in jail!
And why he doesn't have his seven tours de France titles no more?
He is now catalogued as a father with kids.
And true, I don't know how you truly feel 'bout Lance; I just go with what you reply in your posts,
and discuss with you based on that.
And why he doesn't have his seven tours de France titles no more?
He is now catalogued as a father with kids.
And true, I don't know how you truly feel 'bout Lance; I just go with what you reply in your posts,
and discuss with you based on that.
I'm pretty sure my posts have related to the handling of the issue, the evidence against him, and the pervasiveness of performance enhancing substances in most professional sports. All I really know about Lance is that he was the greatest cyclist of his era and that he did not fail any drug tests. Maybe he used performance enhancing substances; we know for sure, from forensic (not eyewitness) evidence, that many (or all?) of his close competitors did.
It's only a witch-hunt if you have your head in the sand and will not accept the opinions and testimony of anyone but the former revered champion. And whether or not his competitors did or did not use performance enhancing drugs is completely beside the point. It's not about them. He needs to come forward and tell the truth, which IMO he has strayed far from, and his backing away is the act of a guilty man wrought with guilt. I guess the Ostrich is leading by example.
---If Lance is truly a good person, he should say so and tell us exactly what's going on.
...First to himself, to his fans, his sport's mates, and to the professional cyclism organizations of the world.
Can he do that? Is he the great athlete that we all thought he was for so many years?
Or is there someone else to blame for all of that?
...First to himself, to his fans, his sport's mates, and to the professional cyclism organizations of the world.
Can he do that? Is he the great athlete that we all thought he was for so many years?
Or is there someone else to blame for all of that?
There is no doubt about that!
They should just allow doping as part of the training program.
It's no different from advantages due to better coaches, technology, equipment or nutrition.
Nutritional supplement, vitamin supplement, hormonal supplement, there's no difference?
---Gary, they should have competitions just for people who are taking illegal enhancing drugs.
Then everyone would be on the same equal footing; well, sort of because the 'best' illegal drugs will be available to only the rich.
And also have 'natural' competitions where you are only allowed to take legal doses of anything. :b
...That would be a special category for the real people only. ...Like Viagra for example.
It's legal right? Any side effects?
Then everyone would be on the same equal footing; well, sort of because the 'best' illegal drugs will be available to only the rich.
And also have 'natural' competitions where you are only allowed to take legal doses of anything. :b
...That would be a special category for the real people only. ...Like Viagra for example.
It's legal right? Any side effects?
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