US Anti-Doping Agency charges Armstrong

Bob, if they did that, we would have the existing problem. It is supposed to be natural now. If we have natural and doped, the doped group will obviously be doping, but there will still be doping in the natural group to give people the edge.

Unfortunately, it's a problem either way.
 
Bob, if they did that, we would have the existing problem. It is supposed to be natural now. If we have natural and doped, the doped group will obviously be doping,
but there will still be doping in the natural group to give people the edge.

Unfortunately, it's a problem either way.

-----Oh, I forgot about that!
 
UCI: Tour winner list stays blank in Armstrong era

By GRAHAM DUNBAR, AP

GENEVA (AP) — The seven Tour de France titles stripped from Lance Armstrong will not be awarded to any riders, and the American cyclist and his teammates should return their prize money, the sport's governing body said Friday.

Acknowledging ``a cloud of suspicion would remain hanging over this dark period,'' the UCI said the list of Tour winners will remain blank for the years from 1999 to 2005.

``This might appear harsh for those who rode clean (but) they would understand there was little honor to be gained in reallocating places,'' the UCI said after a board meeting in Geneva.

The UCI said Armstrong and ``all other affected riders'' in the case should return their prize money. That amounts to almost $4 million in Tour money from Armstrong.

Armstrong attorney Sean Breen declined comment.

The cycling body also ordered an independent, outside investigation to examine allegations about the UCI's conduct and its relationship with Armstrong raised by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency report that detailed systematic cheating by the Texan and his teammates. In the report, UCI is accused of making a financial deal from Armstrong to cover up a suspicious doping test.

Riders and officials involved in doping programs will also be targeted by the inquiry commission. ``Part of the independent commission's remit would be to find ways to ensure that persons caught for doping were no longer able to take part in the sport, including as part of an entourage,'' the UCI said in a statement.

A potentially explosive defamation suit filed by the UCI, its president Pat McQuaid and predecessor Hein Verbruggen against Irish journalist and former Tour rider Paul Kimmage has been put on hold, the board said.

Kimmage was scheduled to defend his claims that cycling's leaders protected Armstrong at a Dec. 12 hearing in Vevey, Switzerland. Kimmage has received more than $70,000 in donations from cycling fans to fight his case.

Armstrong's expulsion from the sport he dominated was confirmed Monday when the UCI acknowledged the USADA findings that his teams ran ``the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen.''

Friday's meeting of the UCI board was a necessary legal step to confirm a seven-year hole in the Tour de France roll of honor.

``UCI is determined to turn around this painful episode in the history of our sport,'' McQuaid said in a statement. ``We will take whatever actions are deemed necessary by the independent commission and we will put cycling back on track.''

An ``independent sports body'' will be chosen by UCI within two weeks to nominate members of the advisory panel, which is scheduled to report back by June 2013.

As well as leaving the Tour winner's list blank from 1999-2005, the UCI agreed ``not to award victories to any other rider or upgrade other placings in any of the affected events.'' Other stage-race titles lost by Armstrong include the 2001 Tour of Switzerland and Dauphine Libere in 2002 and `03.

``The (management) committee decided to apply this ruling from now on to any competitive sporting results disqualified due to doping for the period from 1998 to 2005, without prejudice to the statute of limitation,'' the UCI said.

The UCI did not directly address the status of Armstrong's Olympic time-trial bronze medal from the 2000 Sydney Games, which could be stripped by the International Olympic Committee.

Further revelations of doping are expected in an Italian prosecutor's probe into sports doctor Michele Ferrari, who was identified by USADA as a central figure in the doping programs for Armstrong and the U.S. Postal Service team.

Ferrari was also banned from sport for life by USADA after he chose not to contest its findings at arbitration.

USADA chief executive Travis Tygart has urged the UCI to pursue more doping investigations, and the governing body had talked of seeking to offer limited amnesty in exchange for confessions.

Five riders finished second behind Armstrong in his record run of seven straight Tour wins: Alex Zuelle of Switzerland, Jan Ullrich of Germany, Joseba Beloki of Spain, Andreas Kloeden of Germany - later a teammate of Armstrong at Astana and RadioShack - and Ivan Basso of Italy.

Ullrich, the 1997 winner who was denied three more titles by Armstrong, has said he does not want to be upgraded in the standings.

Armstrong is one of three riders stripped of cycling's biggest prize but the only one not to be replaced.

When Alberto Contador lost his 2010 Tour victory for a positive doping test, organizers held a ceremony to award the yellow jersey to Luxembourg's Andy Schleck. In 2006, Oscar Pereiro was awarded the victory after the doping disqualification of American rider Floyd Landis.

Armstrong has not been wiped entirely from cycling's record books. He remains the UCI's world champion in the 1993 road race and winner of the San Sebastian and Walloon Arrow one-day classics in 1995 and 1996, respectively. USADA ordered his results erased from 1998 on.
 
So now we have a motive. Return of prize money. Everybody should be required to return any money made off Armstrong. In case you did not know , the prize money is divided among the team members.
 
prove it Bob..there is NO physical evidence...tainted blood.
I guess the governing bodies are as I described...a Kanga Court.

-----Of course I cannot myself; but we ain't see the end of it just yet.

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See Christian, the thing is this: if we keep allowing our sports to degenerate the way they are, we ain't no better than all these cheaters. And I know that you know what it means, for our entire systems in our societies.

News like this are surely very disappointing and sad; but on the other side of that coin the good news is that we're taking our responsabilities by condemning those various irregularities (illegalities) by many people from various departments. And that, is what we want in our future; play by the fair rules of the sports.

And Lance still has a chance to come clean by telling the truth.
That will make him more 'human' in the eyes of many.
 
I'm going to post something that may not go over well, but please...I mean no disrespect to our members, so keep that in mind.


Would all of of our U.S.member-based supporters of Lance feel the same way if he was Canadian, Italian, Portugese, etc.?
 
Definitely for me

IMO he is still the greatest cyclist of all time regardless of race, creed, color or nationality

And as Christian said Bob he has never failed a drug test. He has in his eyes at least, come clean by telling the world that he has never failed a test so what would you want him to say. I have no idea whether he is guilty or innocent but nonetheless you can be sure Bob that if he was a doper I can bet that a significant number of the peloton are likewise guilty. So if we all ran home to take down our dirty laundry, well......

Watching TV last night there was a Lance Armstrong segment where two ladies stated they knew he was doping.

Let's also never forget that the man beat Stage 4 testicular cancer with metastases all over his body to come back and do what he did
 
---I was not going to add anymore.

Lance is surely not the only one guilty here, in the eyes of many, and that is the reality. ...The people who hid the drug tests, etc.
But all the cheaters in our professional sports; what are they truly guilty of? Exactly that; cheating.
And cheating (for financial gain & glory) deprives the other honest people; and I know that few remain indeed.
And if only one person was totally honest, that's good enough in my book to respect him/her and abide by the laws that govern our professional sports, including cyclism.

Another thing here; we all know that it goes even beyond the subject of this thread here (Lance Armstrong and friends, from all professional avenues of life), but all of these people, including Lance, they all have a 'fair' chance to rehabilitate themselves, or to fall even deeper in their own world of false illusions, influenced by the evil money hooks.

And that is omnipresent not just in sports but in all avenues of life, including our own very loved hobby; audio.

For me, Lance Armstrong is only one of many crooks that our world becomes the refuge for.
He ain't no better than the handicapped kid condemned to an hospital bed for the rest of his life; way of speech.

...The greatest cyclist that the world have ever seen? No way, not in my book sir!
You are entitled to your own opinion, and I am entitled to completely disagree with you, and others too.
And if I'm alone in my way of thinking, then be it. ...At least I am true to myself and to a bunch of other 'correct' people on this planet.

This is from the deepest crevasses of my heart, and with full control of my senses and sensibilities.
 
Hey Steve, I bet it won't be long before the challenges of whether he really had cancer or not will come to fruition....Sad what this media driven society has become....pathetic in fact.
 
Lance has for many years been a source of inspiration for me. Countless hours have I followed his struggle over the Alps in the Tour de France and all this is for me unforgettable hours that I carry in my heart. I have followed his struggle since the cancer and he has made ??me a better person, in my profession and as a amateur cyclist.

I have followed this hunt with concern and confusion. But now that everything is over and he has been relegated to a cheater and loser in the eyes of many, I have realized that he has meant to much to me and I don´t longer care if he is "guilty" or not. He is still a hero and a source for inspiration.

It's as if I would hear about my favorite artist uses cannabis. I would still love the music...

The only thing that can change my feelings for him is if it turns out that he is a real criminal or abused his children. But doping or not is simply too insignificant for me to throw away all the hundreds of hours of joy and inspiration Lance has given me.
 
Lance is surely not the only one guilty here, in the eyes of many, and that is the reality. ...The people who hid the drug tests, etc.


Bob, I never knew that there were people who hid drug tests. Can you give me a llnk for me to read
 
220px-Eddy_Merckx_1966.jpgEddie Merckx (The Cannibal) is the best of the legendary Belgium cyclists. He is the best of all time. IMO.
 

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