I think this is the end of the journey for now. When my wife can return to the USA we will be making a trip to Mike to hear the Evolution Acoustics MM7 and, if Gary will have us, to Genesis to hear Gary's latest work.
Tone mainly, but also soundstage and bass. Note I am a panel and horn fan, and in cones like veritys or real big ones like Alexandria, and cones crossed over to subs, just in case you want to calibrate tastes. Which is why I mentioned to Altan that his Techdas plus Ypsilon valves might lead to a better tone and a different perspective.
Ron, after I like something, I like to revisit multiple times to try and fall it before deciding. Especially at that price level
Please put me on the itinerary if you have time. My little system will make you feel good about whatever you buy.
garylkoh
WBF Technical Expert (Speakers & Audio Equipment)
Excellent review, Ron. I might have said the same when comparing the old G1.1 to the new Pendragons. The Gryphon electronics are stupendous, and I had the pleasure of showing with Gryphon numerous times. In particular, the Gryphon phono stage I believe is hugely under-rated. I am surprised, though, to hear the Fleming is working with a cartridge with a dried-out cantilever!
Try to time your visit to the Pacific Northwest for Copper River Salmon season (mid-June onwards(. Come visit MikeL at the same time, and we'll make a party of it. For the next Dragon party, I'll smoke a whole salmon.
Forget the speaker, I will be there for the salmon smoking! [says he; pre-inviting himself
]Ok, I hate to say this..but I feel I must...
I fail to see the point of listening to very large speaker systems that have little to no chance of working in one's room??
The quickest way to disappointment in our hobby is to try and jam a speaker that is too large for the listening room ( or doesn't play nice in it for whatever reason) into our available listening space.
One of my good a'phile friends has gone down this route on several occasions now....He has sold his Wilson Alex 2's ( at a considerable loss), and he is now quite unhappy with his Marten Coltrane Supreme 2's....why??
Because, neither of these speakers work in his room...Period!
Perhaps, it might be an idea to start with a smaller speaker, one that will more likely work with one's room... and one that can be easily demonstrated in one's room and slowly work up to the larger
speaker....but with home demonstration as the paramount, before investing in that mega speaker....one that sounds great in the dealer/manufacturer demo at their locale, but sounds far less stellar in your smaller room.
All IMHO...
I fail to see the point of listening to very large speaker systems that have little to no chance of working in one's room??
The quickest way to disappointment in our hobby is to try and jam a speaker that is too large for the listening room ( or doesn't play nice in it for whatever reason) into our available listening space.
One of my good a'phile friends has gone down this route on several occasions now....He has sold his Wilson Alex 2's ( at a considerable loss), and he is now quite unhappy with his Marten Coltrane Supreme 2's....why??
Because, neither of these speakers work in his room...Period!
Perhaps, it might be an idea to start with a smaller speaker, one that will more likely work with one's room... and one that can be easily demonstrated in one's room and slowly work up to the larger
speaker....but with home demonstration as the paramount, before investing in that mega speaker....one that sounds great in the dealer/manufacturer demo at their locale, but sounds far less stellar in your smaller room.
All IMHO...
garylkoh
WBF Technical Expert (Speakers & Audio Equipment)
That is why I have refused numerous times to sell a Genesis 1 when I know that the room is too small........
Please put me on the itinerary if you have time. My little system will make you feel good about whatever you buy.
Amir, send him your frequency curve, he can check whether he likes it or not
Gary, I believe that attitude is extremely admirable. Unfortunately, I also know that it is rare and unusual in the speaker manufacturing biz.
Amir, send him your frequency curve, he can check whether he likes it or not
Don't be jealous. You can also come. There is some room left on the transportation vehicle to bring you here:
Don't forget to bring some potatoes with you to go with Gary's salmon....
Ron, congrats on your new "application" (audio writer). It fits you like a leather glove.
I love to read stuff like that here @ WBF.
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I love to read stuff like that here @ WBF.
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I sure have. I have considered dual Wilson Thors with one or two Wilson Watch Controllers, JL Audio Gothams, stacked REL G1s and custom Mark Seaton woofer towers. ML BalancedForce 212s cannot be stacked. I look forward to ML 215s which should be able to be stacked.
I think one or more of those could work (and would work) but, philosophically, I agree with Mike Lavigne's view that, if at all possible, a fully-integrated, full-frequency range solution by one manufacturer is preferable to grafting together two different systems with the risk of less than great results.
Please put me on the itinerary if you have time. My little system will make you feel good about whatever you buy.
I would like to visit, Amir. Thank you.
Dear Gary,
Thank you. I am very well aware that the 1.2 and Dragon embody many, many improvements over the 1.1.
Flemming speculated that it might be dried out -- he is not sure.
I agree that the Gryphon electronics are great. Our own Lloyd is a huge fan as well.
I have no idea when it will be but my plan is to visit you and Mike and Amir on the same trip. I would love to hear the next Dragon!
Thank you. I am very well aware that the 1.2 and Dragon embody many, many improvements over the 1.1.
Flemming speculated that it might be dried out -- he is not sure.
I agree that the Gryphon electronics are great. Our own Lloyd is a huge fan as well.
I have no idea when it will be but my plan is to visit you and Mike and Amir on the same trip. I would love to hear the next Dragon!
Ok, I hate to say this..but I feel I must...
I fail to see the point of listening to very large speaker systems that have little to no chance of working in one's room??
The quickest way to disappointment in our hobby is to try and jam a speaker that is too large for the listening room ( or doesn't play nice in it for whatever reason) into our available listening space.
. . .
Perhaps, it might be an idea to start with a smaller speaker, one that will more likely work with one's room... and one that can be easily demonstrated in one's room and slowly work up to the larger
speaker....but with home demonstration as the paramount, before investing in that mega speaker....one that sounds great in the dealer/manufacturer demo at their locale, but sounds far less stellar in your smaller room.
All IMHO...
I think that is a very fair point. We know the room truly is the most important component.
For me personally I am very confident the Pendragon would fit in my room. The panel and the woofer tower are positioned right next to each other and, together, are 41.5" wide, exactly the same width as the just the mid/tweeter panel of the Genesis 1.2, and only about 10" wider than the Neolith.
And I know that tall ceilings are not supposed to help acoustically, but I think -- and almost everyone I talk with about tall ceilings agrees -- that the 14' ceiling, for some reason, helps.
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