What determines "believability of the reproduction illusion"
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It doesn't have to be "awful" at all - the recording circuitry in modern phones is actually quite competent, playing such a recording back over some tiny speaker with a very ordinary amplifying circuit is not going to give one much idea of the potential. And, yet again, we have the idea that YouTube audio quality is intrinsically bad - of course one can upload a bad quality audio for a clip, and that proves, what? If one takes care one can add a sound track to a clip, that can be downloaded and converted to conventional audio formats - and if played back over a decent system, with the original, pristine track to compare against, I would suggest that 95% of the people reading this wouldn't be able to pick the "dodgy" one ...
Good suggestion, Peter! And going back to it, I find it hard to imagine anyone thinking it was "good": the percussion sounds in the mix are barely recognisable as to what they actually are, a highly jangly, over emphasised mid-range, boxiness, a PA shoutiness, no real treble - to me the impact is of an over loud transistor radio. This song should be very mellow, with a sophisticated patina to the sound - and that's the last thing I'm hearing.
So we conclude that information captured in a recording hall is the same as that captured by a passerby over mobile
Hello Frank
FWIW I go to a lot of concerts as an example I have 9 this month and at almost every one of them I take some video using my Samsung Galaxy Note 4. Sometimes they come out quite well other times they are lousy. In all cases they are just a pale shadow of what is actually getting to my ears. Using Youtube videos is like watching my videos and saying you know what it was like to be there. Couldn't be farther from the truth.
Rob
With all due respect, this is absolutely incredulous. Making judgments based on something recorded on a cell phone and a U Tube video.
And of course all the biased analogue groupies immediately know or imply that the apparent distortion was caused by a digital source.
Do you have any idea how silly this sounds?
Are you all serious?
And of course all the biased analogue groupies immediately know or imply that the apparent distortion was caused by a digital source.
Do you have any idea how silly this sounds?
Are you all serious?
Steve williams
Site Founder, Site Owner, Administrator
Hello Frank
Why are you making judgements about the sound of the system using a Youtube Video?? I am seeing this more and more of this on forums and frankly I don't get it.
Rob
With all due respect, this is absolutely incredulous. Making judgments based on something recorded on a cell phone and a U Tube video.
And of course all the biased analogue groupies immediately know or imply that the apparent distortion was caused by a digital source.
Do you have any idea how silly this sounds?
Are you all serious?
Dude
you are preaching to the choir.
It sounds ridiculous to everyone here but Frank. This IMO is absolute nonsense to make judgments about sound in that room based on a youtube video. I WAS r=there and heard the sound in that room and as I stated it was tied for my Best in show sound.
I spent a total of at least two hours in the Evolution Acoustics/DarTZeel/Wave Kinetics room over three separate visits (one of which was with Steve, and one of which was with Steve and Mike) and the system did not sound like what I heard on the YouTube.com video clip.
Steve williams
Site Founder, Site Owner, Administrator
Steve williams
Site Founder, Site Owner, Administrator
Hi
I can't understand how some can so repeatedly fall for fas42 leg-pulling
Although I disagree many times with Frank, many of his comments are quite interesting and thought provoking. His views are most of the time too personal to be generalized but he manages to keep the forum awake on some subjects that a few people would prefer to hide under the carpet ...
Steve williams
Site Founder, Site Owner, Administrator
Well if that is the case I would like to ask everyone if they can make sound quality judgments from a video posted over a smart phone or am I the only one that is having this knee jerk reaction
I agree w Frantz, we're being trolled...
There is no way it's possible to judge a system from hearing a recording of it, let alone low bitrate compressed audio taken from a phone. The idea of it is absurd.
And once again, "HiFi" is the goal. If full frequency response sounds bad to you (this is very possible) and you prefer rolled-off highs (this is typical especially if people don't have a system with decent bass extension), that's fine but don't denigrate those who don't, it's rude and obnoxious. The truth is, if you don't have good bass extension you'll probably find non-rolled-off highs to be bright, it's just the way the brain works. You acclimate to that and then find systems that have decent extension at the extremes to sound bad, when the truth is it's YOUR SYSTEM that really sounds bad, and not the "HiFi" system. IMO, this is probably the origin of why "HiFi" sounds bad to some folks and became a derogatory term to them... lack of experience and acclimation to poor performing systems.
There is no way it's possible to judge a system from hearing a recording of it, let alone low bitrate compressed audio taken from a phone. The idea of it is absurd.
And once again, "HiFi" is the goal. If full frequency response sounds bad to you (this is very possible) and you prefer rolled-off highs (this is typical especially if people don't have a system with decent bass extension), that's fine but don't denigrate those who don't, it's rude and obnoxious. The truth is, if you don't have good bass extension you'll probably find non-rolled-off highs to be bright, it's just the way the brain works. You acclimate to that and then find systems that have decent extension at the extremes to sound bad, when the truth is it's YOUR SYSTEM that really sounds bad, and not the "HiFi" system. IMO, this is probably the origin of why "HiFi" sounds bad to some folks and became a derogatory term to them... lack of experience and acclimation to poor performing systems.
Steve williams
Site Founder, Site Owner, Administrator
I have no ax to grind vis a vis the products in the room mentioned as I was an exhibitor myself at this show. I know how difficult it is to get good sound at these shows and in fact it wasn't till Sunday we were able to finally get decent sound from my new design, (the ZETA), anyway I digress ....trying to analyze the quality of sound , and than trying to make a definitive judgment , from a YOUTUBE video is Wishful thinking and misguided at best....
I concur with Steve, this room was easily one of the better sounding (if not the best) at the show.
Cheers....T.
Different show, different rooms, different time, different music, different gear model series, different videos, different sound evaluation: :b
* Different video cameras too and different microphones.
* Different video cameras too and different microphones.
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I cannot believe you are being serious at all, so I will not address this as if you were.
I think you or someone mentioned you were an engineer. Is this true? What area of engineering did you get your degree?
And by the way, the source was master tape not digital.
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Thank you sir Jonathan for that info.
* When re-watching the video I noticed a big console near the rear corner, left rear corner when sitting @ the main spot.
** It was a funny video, a first from Mike, the hippie guy. :b
It was also funny when a gentleman showed his face with a smile in front of Mike's phone camera while Mike was videotaping in front of the main gear; TT & all. That was a good move, just great.
And one of the rep, sitting on the left side wall, kept a good eye on Mike.
* When re-watching the video I noticed a big console near the rear corner, left rear corner when sitting @ the main spot.
** It was a funny video, a first from Mike, the hippie guy. :b
It was also funny when a gentleman showed his face with a smile in front of Mike's phone camera while Mike was videotaping in front of the main gear; TT & all. That was a good move, just great.
And one of the rep, sitting on the left side wall, kept a good eye on Mike.
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I cannot believe you are being serious at all, so I will not address this as if you were.
I think you or someone mentioned you were an engineer. Is this true? What area of engineering did you get your degree?
And by the way, the source was master tape not digital.
This is one reason why I place no cred in those individuals that are so biased against digital and are so pro analogue.
IMHO, It's very similar to religious fanatics who simply drink the cool aid without reservation.
