Holostages - critical review

[Chop]

These are remarkable things Ron.

 

[Jeff4598]

By any chance did you have somebody help you to do this blind?

Woul;d be hard as it takes 4 days for stabilization / break-in. Hard to imagine how I could imagine this huge change- steady day after day now. Recordings I have listened to for 50+ tears (yipes!) are so much more tonality complete ( the bell at the begining of a John Lennon song sounds like METAL, Phil Och's acoustic guitar ( in a ratty sounding live set) is epxlosive and you can hear the nylon strings for the first time as nylon.) I have had no results from many tweaks and the first set of these (back and front) had clear break in (no bass on day 2, confused on day 3 then wonderful thereafter )whilst the second set on the sides never sounded bad, just gradually improved- my point is although not PROOF of objectivity these events are not likely to be based on my unconsciously held expextations. Additionally when I went from 1 to 2 in each location they had zero effect stacked or at 90 degree angle; 2 only better than 1 at 45 degree angle- again hard to imagine imagining this!

 

[Republicoftexas69]

TLDR:

WTF are these. A friend recommended them to me. I now have dozens of them. Maybe they absorb inductive field RFI like Bybee and Shunyata products. Better sound: Less smeary and better focus, better pace, rhythm and timing, more holographic. I can't live without them.

Why would you need dozens of them? Seems like overkill.

 

[Republicoftexas69]

He got me turned on to the Townshend speaker cables and Synergistic power cables-- which I see you also have. I don't know him through forums but he's a good friend and I have no regrets about buying my Townshend and Synergistic that he recommended to me.

Well even a blind Squirrel finds an acorn now an then, referencing the MC not you. BTW I sent SR cables back. All LessLoss PC now.

 

[Republicoftexas69]

Gotta love being against something you have not heard.

Not what he said.

 

[Republicoftexas69]

Some people get an idea in their head and build reality around it. Thank God we don't pick Presidents that way....

Right.

 

[Republicoftexas69]

IGNORE + RANT =?

Holostage ?

 

[Jeff4598]

Holostage ?

IGNORANT

 

[Republicoftexas69]

IGNORANT

Not hearing it. Psychoacoustics could it be?
Another question that has never been answered is why do people need so many of these things to get the desired effect or psychoacoustics. The more you spend on widgets the better it sounds.

 

[Republicoftexas69]

https://nirvanasound.com/product/heartsound-holostage/

I would order a set to try if there were real information on the Heartsound site... it wont even load.

Would love to see the science here.

There is a real science behind this product with many chemists and academics collaborating and contributing to the technology over many years.

 

[Jeff4598]

https://nirvanasound.com/product/heartsound-holostage/

I would order a set to try if there were real information on the Heartsound site... it wont even load.

Would love to see the science here.

I'll just listen.

 

[Republicoftexas69]

I'll just listen.

Not me I am an engineer and a scientist. So why do you need 8 of these for it to sound good? Still have not seen a logical explanation for that.

 

[MacF]

Not me I am an engineer and a scientist. So why do you need 8 of these for it to sound good? Still have not seen a logical explanation for that.

One set of 4 is plenty to achieve a very noticeable change/improvement. More allows you to further tune the room to your liking by placing additional Holostages in different locations. Half the fun is experimenting. If you don’t like what you hear, just return them. They are so effective, I doubt very seriously many have been returned.

 

[Republicoftexas69]

One set of 4 is plenty to achieve a very noticeable change/improvement. More allows you to further tune the room to your liking by placing additional Holostages in different locations. Half the fun is experimenting. If you don’t like what you hear, just return them. They are so effective, I doubt very seriously many have been returned.

Thanks Mac.

 

[Halydean]

Followup Report:

After ample time for burn-in of my Heartsound Ground Box, I'm getting an ASMR headphone-like sense of soundstage. Instead of sitting and looking at a deep, wide soundstage in front of me, I'm now sitting inside that soundstage.

I have to admit I messed with my other holostages, and this probably has had a cumulative affect on what I'm hearing. I spread some around the room, wider and placed higher than the tops of my speakers (Maggies)... so to be fair I can't attribute all of that to the Ground Box, but the very first moment I plugged that thing in I noticed a strong improvement.

 

[Halydean]

How the Holostages Work: An Analysis of Everything I Could Find

I decided to load everything I know about the holostage devices into a new gen LLM AI to separate the BS from the real.

These LLM AIs work by making multidimensional linguistic maps to find patterns between concepts. This makes them capable of taking either side of a debate, because they can regurgitate patters they've read elsewhere. But if you know how to use them, you can prevent them from giving you an average of what they read on the internet and actually examine the data itself for patterns and then express those patterns into words. I set up an AI for this and I had the AI load patented, medical, and military use information from similar tech (Shunyata, Bybee, et cetera). I input all known info I had, as well as anecdotal user reports (which the AI is aware are not statistically significant) including comments from here, and my own observations from having seen older models that did not come in black boxes (naked!). I then asked the AI what, if anything, the Holostage is doing.

Here's what the AI said is going on:

"The measurable EMI reduction in router noise, design, and similarity to other well-understood technologies show that the holostage is effective. The Holostage appears to be an advanced hybrid of piezoelectric damping, EMI/RFI absorption, and passive inductive filtering. The observed audio effects could result from direct signal filtering, environmental electromagnetic changes, and radiant electrical field effects on the brain with psychoacoustic results. It would probably work better with specialized dielectric polymers to achieve more predictable capacitance and frequency absorption characteristics. Materials such as carbon nanotube-infused polymer sheets or mu-metal shielding could enhance EMI/RFI absorption."

If anyone has an insatiable curiosity about further details of how this sort of tech works, I recommend reading the Shunyata patents as the Holostages are in the same evolutionary family tree... albeit with "advanced" differences to a nearly unrecognizable level.

Among other things, I work with a leading, innovative AI company, and I regularly use and compare multiple AIs. I do have a doctorate and am comfortable doing objective scientific research. I only say this to give any readers a modest degree of comfort that my efforts to interpret the data provided were as objective as possible, and the AI itself was prompted with instructions to avoid any bias and to just report empirical findings.

 

[Halydean]

Going to try the 45 degree trick tonight and some other odd setup tricks I've heard about that nobody seems to be discussing here yet. Will report my observations.

 

[Republicoftexas69]

How the Holostages Work: An Analysis of Everything I Could Find

I decided to load everything I know about the holostage devices into a new gen LLM AI to separate the BS from the real.

These LLM AIs work by making multidimensional linguistic maps to find patterns between concepts. This makes them capable of taking either side of a debate, because they can regurgitate patters they've read elsewhere. But if you know how to use them, you can prevent them from giving you an average of what they read on the internet and actually examine the data itself for patterns and then express those patterns into words. I set up an AI for this and I had the AI load patented, medical, and military use information from similar tech (Shunyata, Bybee, et cetera). I input all known info I had, as well as anecdotal user reports (which the AI is aware are not statistically significant) including comments from here, and my own observations from having seen older models that did not come in black boxes (naked!). I then asked the AI what, if anything, the Holostage is doing.

Here's what the AI said is going on:

"The measurable EMI reduction in router noise, design, and similarity to other well-understood technologies show that the holostage is effective. The Holostage appears to be an advanced hybrid of piezoelectric damping, EMI/RFI absorption, and passive inductive filtering. The observed audio effects could result from direct signal filtering, environmental electromagnetic changes, and radiant electrical field effects on the brain with psychoacoustic results. It would probably work better with specialized dielectric polymers to achieve more predictable capacitance and frequency absorption characteristics. Materials such as carbon nanotube-infused polymer sheets or mu-metal shielding could enhance EMI/RFI absorption."

If anyone has an insatiable curiosity about further details of how this sort of tech works, I recommend reading the Shunyata patents as the Holostages are in the same evolutionary family tree... albeit with "advanced" differences to a nearly unrecognizable level.

Among other things, I work with a leading, innovative AI company, and I regularly use and compare multiple AIs. I do have a doctorate and am comfortable doing objective scientific research. I only say this to give any readers a modest degree of comfort that my efforts to interpret the data provided were as objective as possible, and the AI itself was prompted with instructions to avoid any bias and to just report empirical findings.

No real engineering pure AI gibberish and speculation. closest anyone has come to attempting to explain this is what I posted here https://nirvanasound.com/product/heartsound-holostage/ and I think it's a swing and a miss.

 

[Jeff4598]

No real engineering pure AI gibberish and speculation. closest anyone has come to attempting to explain this is what I posted here https://nirvanasound.com/product/heartsound-holostage/ and I think it's a swing and a miss.

As a physician I accept that we can move towards our goal without, often to a very great extent, undersanding the structure or function (or dysfunction) of the subject or the mnechanism of action of our intervention. We used painkillers and antibiotics long before we knew how they worked. Not understanding their mechanism of action did not cause us to forgoe their benefit. If the Holostage creator knows how to make them then IMO even she does not need to know how they work.

 

[Republicoftexas69]

As a physician I accept that we can move towards our goal without, often to a very great extent, undersanding the structure or function (or dysfunction) of the subject or the mnechanism of action of our intervention. We used painkillers and antibiotics long before we knew how they worked. Not understanding their mechanism of action did not cause us to forgoe their benefit. If the Holostage creator knows how to make them then IMO even she does not need to know how they work.

That works for you.