The End Of A 35 Year Journey ---Zellaton -The Reference Ultra Final Frontier

In my other recent Zellaton/Burmester install pictured here overlooking Central Park, my clients insisted on off axis dispersion as they are social, gregarious and want audio in their lives to share music, not to mention aesthetic sensibilities.

Interesting how panels got into the high brow and elevated polemics here ;) but rest assured I’ll never sell my circa 1985 Magnepan Tympani’s, even with all their flaws and (excusable) shortcomings.
 

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And a few blocks away on Central Park West, in this particular building of John Lennon fame, I’ll be posting another client installation certain to challenge audiophile standards. IMG_6509.jpeg
 
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Of course if I were listening to panels I’d be locked dead center. The beauty of these speakers is they sound like panels but unlike panels they have realistic bass as well as excellent off axis sound
Beg to differ. At least regarding Alsyvox (don't know anything about ML's), designer-preferred extreme toe-in bounces the backwave off the side wall before mingling in the middle. This may account for the extreme listenability of Caravaggio's virtually anywhere in my larger room (and sounds musical even in office off back of room). And there's no vertical shift whether I'm sitting on the couch or standing behind it. No lack for realistic bass either.
 
Beg to differ. At least regarding Alsyvox (don't know anything about ML's), designer-preferred extreme toe-in bounces the backwave off the side wall before mingling in the middle. This may account for the extreme listenability of Caravaggio's virtually anywhere in my larger room (and sounds musical even in office off back of room). And there's no vertical shift whether I'm sitting on the couch or standing behind it. No lack for realistic bass either.
FWIW the bass that panels produce has never impressed me. Panels don’t move air. End of story
 
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FWIW the bass that panels produce has never impressed me. Panels don’t move air. End of story
Todays panels, Alsyvox for sure, Clarysis too i expect, move plenty of air. With ribbon travel of up to 20mm (Alsyvox) and magnets on both sides creating a very strong field, coupled with multiple sq ft of ribbon, there is substantial bass down into the low 20hz with plenty of impact.

Granted, you feel it differently and maybe not quite as viscerally as a cone driver and coming from your big Wilsons i can understand your feeling that way about ribbons. “Fanfare for the Common Man”, followed by Yello’s “Oh Yeah” never fails to impress visitors here auditioning the Botticelli X.

That said, the Zelletons I’ve heard are damn good. I expect you already appreciate the difference vs your Wilsons — I expect your hearing more linear bass which of itself ought to be more satisfying.
 
Oh yes! High performance panels can make the presentation awe-inspiring! The soundstage depth and 3D holographic detail is SOTA! Regarding realistic bass, also very true and is highly room dependent. Alsyvox is superb! I've experienced the full range. Sadly not in my humble finances... Not yet heard the Clarisys as yet, there are no dealers / auditions in Aus.

As I said before many times, the CLX's are it for me. There's no other speaker system I'd rather own, regardless of price. I've drawn the line here.

As this particular thread is about Zellaton's and Stevo's journey in discovering these wonderful speakers that are truly extraordinary, I rather focus on his ventures. Very happy for you Stevo, and a mighty change from Wilson's indeed!
You'll see.

Woof! RJ
 
I grew up on panels. Ok they move air but you’ll never convince me the bass of panels is anywhere what I’m hearing now.
Clarisys practically moved my house's infrastructure (pipes, walls, glass -- I have no idea what all was vibrating with musical selections containing deep bass) ...
IIRC there was resonance causing your base boards to move. You also sold them

Now with everyone’s permission I’d like to go back and discuss Zellaton. If you want to talk panels start your own thread
 
I've received countless emails regarding Steve's choice of Lamm amplifiers for his Zellaton's - and along with numerous comments questioning the partnership of Lamm and Zellaton - I thought to share my views and 15 years experience representing Zellaton.

Let's begin with what fueled most of the controversy (namely the suspicion and countless warnings on this thread) that Steve's 32 wpc single ended directly heated triode ML3 will not adequately energize his Zellaton's. Despite Steve sharing many examples of Zellaton partnered with low powered tubes, most notably Emile's (Taiko) Zellaton Reference partnered with low powered tubes, Zellaton and Jadis, Kondo etc...., it still seems that many were waiting for Steve to get his Plural Evo's in order to truly see for himself. Well..., as he confirmed here, his volume control hardly gets past 9 on the dial, with so much power reserves and authority, with the added benefit of incredible presence and weight even at low volumes. Perhaps some should also consider the global output of Steve's Lamm notably his high gain/output pre which creates even more energy to balance with his ML3's. While his loaner Plural's are low 90's sensitivity along with his forthcoming Reference's, they are certainly not in horn db range - and Zellaton has often showed their speakers with mega powered solid state. I for one, have partnered Zellaton with high powered and most notably - high bandwidth - designs to maximize the speed and control of their proprietary drivers, whether Klassik, Ultra or Evo line in house unique drivers.

And over the years,(and suggested by forum members), I've combined for clients vintage amplifiers with their Zellaton's. Some of my favorites have been vintage Swiss Physics/Goldmund from the 80's Georges Bernard, Nobile era such as Mimesis 9.2 or Gold Cubes, original Gryphon class A DM100, Antileon, Cello Performance, Krell KMA, KSA and MDA series (KMA my fave), Sumo Andromeda, Threshold SA12e, Belles Audio, Hafler, Bedini and Tandberg 3000 series. Personally I have a fondness for the type of sound stemming from these designs, owing often to the (no longer in production) mosfets and high biasing of the era, legitimate class A et al. Most SS designs these days are missing this quality of musical liveliness, inner dynamic contrasts, immediacy and presence at low volumes. This is why I lean towards Soulution as carrying the torch for this quality of listening. Further, many of the other current brands mentioned here are from boutique companies that may not be here tomorrow and I can't sell that precarious uncertainty to my clients.

For tubes, the combination with Julius Futterman's OTL, Acoustat OTL servo amps from the Monitor 4 1970's era, Graff from Italy (miss that brand so much), original Klimo from Germany and Altec's from the 50s/60s. There's just a special magic when these SS and tube classic designs are mated to the unique Zellaton driver. It's a rare combination of speed, timing but balanced by deep inner beauty - which brings me to Steve's ML3's and why the combination is so special. Because you see..., it's not about power, current, amperes and everything else the members have suggested here. Rather, it's about Vladimir and his soul for music which imbues into his designs. I experienced this first hand listening to Smetana's "The Bartered Bride" together with him. The manner in which music penetrated me was utterly unique and it's not just due to his unparalleled expertise in maximizing the GM70 or the custom output trannies/filament trannies etc..., but more importantly about his understanding of how music is felt. A deeply spiritual man of faith - he was a gem. That's what Steve is hearing and what I experienced with his loaner Plural's in Cali last month. Btw I was never, nor am, a LAMM dealer but always respected and just get it; Vladimir's passing is truly a loss for all those sensitized to this type of listening where every instrument has - what Art Dudley referred to - as "touch."

So just a few of my thoughts on amplification. Sorry if I was too long winded ;)

Gideon
 
I have owned both the GM 20 GM 200 and the Graaf pre amp .
( well before i started posting on WBF )

I dont know how steves Lamm sounds / neither can i say anything about driveability.

But i m pretty sure FMA would tick all his boxes , may be u can hook em up for a trial in steves system.

Liquidity / breath of life of tubes combined with the precision of solid state.
 
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I have owned both the GM 20 GM 200 and the Graaf pre amp .
( well before i started posting on WBF )

I dont know how steves Lamm sounds / neither can i say anything about driveability.

But i m pretty sure FMA would tick all his boxes , may be u can hook em up for a trial in steves system.

Liquidity / breath of life of tubes combined with the precision of solid state.
Id really appreciate that people understand I am not changing my electronics. I am quite happy with the sound I have and have stated that position ad nauseam so please stop with further suggestions. I appreciate everyone's thoughts but this is my decision and with 15 years of Zellaton experience by Gideon I felt quite comfortable going to school on his putt.
 
FWIW Ive gotten notice that my speakers are crated and due to ship this Thursday so my hope is to have them here in 10-14 days

Gideon is flying in to re-crate the wonderful PE that I have had on loan but looking very eagerly to start the final leg of this audio journey of mine
 
That's great news, Steve. I'm anxious to hear the first returns on what is sure to be a remarkable experience. You have such a thoughtfully assembled system populated by components of impeccable quality-truly aspirational for most of us. Clearly, you are an astute system builder. Happy to hear the big Zells are on their way.

I can't help to note-again-that your description of the Plural Evos mirrors my experience. While undoubtedly not the "ultra" experience, the PEs are truly superb. Gideon installed a Burmester 218 with the PEs-a big move up in amplification for me. He's coming this week to install a Burmester 808 Mk. 5 preamp, and I can't wait to experience the synergy. Couldn't have a better guide on this journey. Also going with Schnerzinger Resolution level speaker cable. I'm sure there will be other improvements in the future, but this will get me to a place with my gear well beyond what I thought possible not long ago. I love the horses-a Kentucky thing-and I'm only a pick 6 ticket away from Stage Ultras.

Hope you don't mind me piggy backing on your story, but it seems that our journeys intersected when I heard those PEs in Dallas that were headed your way. Very kind of you to allow the detour to Lexington.
 

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