Dire Straits - Love Over Gold -------- Masterpiece?

[MylesBAstor]

Myles, it has "Columbia" on the cover art but on the back, it states "1997 Sony Music Entertainment/Manufactured by Columbia Records".

Tom

I had that when it was released. Sorry to say wasn't paticularly noteworthy or good. One of those SACDs that they rushed out because of the paucity of SACD software in the beginning. You really need to hear the original LP or even the Classic. Could even arrange for you to hear the tape if you come across the Mason Dixon line

 

[treitz3]

Myles, please offer me a particular album [with details/UPC, Import, whatever] of an LP that is worthy of this cut. I followed what was written [talked about] before and based upon what I read, I ordered this SACD. I actually ordered two of them, just to make sure I didn't get a fluke of an SACD. Both of them, quite honestly bite. Dangle that steak in front of me, my wallet is ready. I hate wasting money on something that isn't worthy of it and so far, this is what I have gotten with regards to this cut. I would LOVE to hear this better than what I have experienced it so far.

Tom

 

[Phelonious Ponk]

Hey Tim,

You're wrong. You haven't heard KOB especially if you're referring to the CD. I've heard the tape and it's hardly what you're describing about save for the obvious observation that it's a studio recording. Nor is does your description apply to early 6-eye or the Classic reissue. Sure there's some overloading but on the whole, KOB sounds fantastic.

The musical contribution was quite nicely summarized here a while back by George Kaye.

You hear a big sound stage in KOB, Myles? Because I hear reverb added to a studio recording. I heard it on the vinyl. I heard it on the CD. I hear it on the 50th anniversary remaster. Big, dynamic swings? I guess that's a relative thing, but it's not big, dynamic music, Myles. It's laid back, quiet. Half the drum parts are played with brushes. I don't have every change committed to memory, but I know it pretty well. We are talking about Myles Davis' Kind of Blue, right?

What I hear is what I stated above -- some noise on an otherwise really good-sounding studio recording. Not at all sure what you're disagreeing with.

Tim

 

[MylesBAstor]

Myles, please offer me a particular album [with details/UPC, Import, whatever] of an LP that is worthy of this cut. I followed what was written [talked about] before and based upon what I read, I ordered this SACD. I actually ordered two of them, just to make sure I didn't get a fluke of an SACD. Both of them, quite honestly bite. Dangle that steak in front of me, my wallet is ready. I hate wasting money on something that isn't worthy of it and so far, this is what I have gotten with regards to this cut. I would LOVE to hear this better than what I have experienced it so far.

Tom

Both are OOP and will cost some moolah. The original 6-eye would be the standard but try finding one in good shape. Alternatively, think you still could pick up the Classic Records reissue. (Don't think KOB would be on HP's list if the sound sucked!

BTW, the Columbia jazz LPs are possibly some of the most underated LPs out there and have some fantastic performances. ORG is reissuing some of them at 45 rpm and the Gerry Mulligan is a must-have.

 

[treitz3]

You hear a big sound stage in KOB, Myles? Because I hear reverb added to a studio recording. I heard it on the vinyl. I heard it on the CD. I hear it on the 50th anniversary remaster. Big, dynamic swings? I guess that's a relative thing, but it's not big, dynamic music, Myles. It's laid back, quiet. Half the drum parts are played with brushes. I don't have every change committed to memory, but I know it pretty well. We are talking about Myles Davis' Kind of Blue, right?

What I hear is what I stated above -- some noise on an otherwise really good-sounding studio recording. Not at all sure what you're disagreeing with.

Tim

From what I remember, these are my observations as well Tim. I'm looking forward to more but you just added 3 more versions I haven't been privy too that are apparently the same as what I heard. Hopefully Myles will be able to offer something more. I'm looking forward to whatever suggestion he has to offer and if nothing else, I look forward to listening to the tape version he is actually privy too one day. It's a great concert. I'd love to listen to it the way it *could* be.

Tom

 

[LL21]

I had that when it was released. Sorry to say wasn't paticularly noteworthy or good. One of those SACDs that they rushed out because of the paucity of SACD software in the beginning. You really need to hear the original LP or even the Classic. Could even arrange for you to hear the tape if you come across the Mason Dixon line

Have you heard the K2HD KOB? i only have the original cd and this one, and i find it is much better.

 

[treitz3]

Both are OOP and will cost some moolah. The original 6-eye would be the standard but try finding one in good shape. Alternatively, think you still could pick up the Classic Records reissue. (Don't think KOB would be on HP's list if the sound sucked!

BTW, the Columbia jazz LPs are possibly some of the most underated LPs out there and have some fantastic performances. ORG is reissuing some of them at 45 rpm and the Gerry Mulligan is a must-have.

Myles, I do not have the LP. I have the SACD. Two of them. As far as HP goes, my observations still stand even though I do not know who you are referring too with regards to the initials HP.

ORG is reissuing some of them at 45 rpm and the Gerry Mulligan is a must-have.

I'll have to be honest. I'm gonna have to decipher what it is above you wrote. Please forgive me for being in the dark. What is ORG and who is Gerry Mulligan and what do they possibly have to with this album? Help me out...

Tom

 

[mep]

We have had the KOB discussion before and I stuck my neck out way back then and told you guys that on a couple of songs the trumpet overloaded the microphone and you can hear the distortion quite clearly. However, all in all, it still sounds damn good except for those brief moments of overload. I have two different LP versions of it and I have a 15 ips 2 track version of it as well. The distortion is present in all 3 recordings (and it has to be because it is on the master tape), but surprise, surprise, the R2R version is in another league. However, even the LPs have really good dynamic range and sound damn good. It doesn’t fit Tim’s description to my ears, but then I haven’t heard any digital versions of it so maybe digital killed it and Tim is simply reporting on the sound of the digital version.

With regards to Jazz at the Pawnshop, I happen to think it is good music in addition to sounding really good. But then, I’m not a jazz snob that thinks that only jazz made by Americans is ‘real’ jazz and everything else is some kind of watered down crap. I find the music to be infectious and you can tell the crowd is way into it as well.

 

[Phelonious Ponk]

My uncle was a big Myles fan, so I've been listening to this album since I was a kid. He (the uncle) had it on R2R. Now I won't claim to remember the sonics of that tape here 50 years later, but I can tell you that when I acquired the vinyl, and then the CD, and then the first remaster, and then the 50th anniversary edition, I didn't notice anything in particular missing, just added -- my uncle's tape was missing a couple of cuts. And I can tell you there is no natural sound stage and the dynamic swings are subtle, as is the rest of the thing. That's in the recording and the performance; I don't care what pressing you have. I'm listening to it right now. It's beautiful to my ears. Has been since i was a kid. My advice, Tom, is don't spend a lot of money and effort chasing some audiophile-approved. Just enjoy it. It's some of the best music ever made.

Tim

 

[MylesBAstor]

Have you heard the K2HD KOB? i only have the original cd and this one, and i find it is much better.

No I haven't Lloyd How many copies of KOB can one have??? OTOH, the K2HD or even XRCD were well done in general.

Did Bruce remaster the KOB?

 

[mep]

I'm going to listen to KOB on tape tonight and report back tomorrow on the dynamic range. I don't remember the "dynamic swings" being subtle. I think the dynamic swings are much greater than what Tim is saying.

 

[treitz3]

With regards to Jazz at the Pawnshop, I happen to think it is good music in addition to sounding really good

Mark, please know that what I had mentioned earlier on was just something that made me chuckle because of how it was written. It has no direct reflection of my own observations of the performance.

Tom

 

[MylesBAstor]

Myles, I do not have the LP. I have the SACD. Two of them. As far as HP goes, my observations still stand even though I do not know who you are referring too with regards to the initials HP.

Harry Pearson

I'll have to be honest. I'm gonna have to decipher what it is above you wrote. Please forgive me for being in the dark. What is ORG and who is Gerry Mulligan and what do they possibly have to with this album? Help me out...

Tom

Was simply an aside that the Columbia jazz recordings fly beneath the radar and can at their best, be breathtaking.

ORG = Original Recording Group. http://www.originalrecordingsgroup.com/index.htm

 

[NorthStar]

LOG = Love Over Gold (Dire Straits).
KOB = Kind Of Blue (Myles Davis).
BIA = Brothers In Arms (Dire Straits).
TO = I don't know.

* Not to be a wise axe but without reading the full thread I bet many people don't even know what we're talkin' 'bout. Heck even me after reading this entire thread I still don't know what TO stands for! :b

 

[MylesBAstor]

LOG = Love Over Gold (Dire Straits).
KOB = Kind Of Blue (Myles Davis).
BIA = Brothers In Arms (Dire Straits).
TO = I don't know.

* Not to be a wise axe but without reading the full thread I bet many people don't even know what we're talkin' 'bout. Heck even me after reading this entire thread I still don't know what TO stands for! :b

Terrell Owens.

 

[DaveyF]

I'm lucky to own both the six eye stereo and six eye mono copies of KOB in mint condition. IMHO, none of the digital copies that I have ever heard can hold a candle to these LP's. I slightly prefer the mono copy to the stereo copy. Agree with Myles, the Columbia jazz recordings fly a little beneath the radar, BUT then so do many other jazz labels...Pablo and Savoy being among them.
I guess I'm an a'pile too, as I like the music on Jazz at the Pawnshop and like the recording...the Jazz LP isn't up to the musicianship on the KOB album ( hardly anything is, IMHO) But it is one heck of a recording.

 

[Bill Hart]

Terrell Owens.

Actually, TO= Tony Orlando.*





*sans Dawn.

 

[NorthStar]

Terrell Owens.

-----TY (Thank You) :b

 

[NorthStar]

Actually, TO= Tony Orlando.*


*sans Dawn.

-----Mmm ... ...I am confused. ...Should I be?

 

[Bill Hart]

I'm lucky to own both the six eye stereo and six eye mono copies of KOB in mint condition. IMHO, none of the digital copies that I have ever heard can hold a candle to these LP's. I slightly prefer the mono copy to the stereo copy. Agree with Myles, the Columbia jazz recordings fly a little beneath the radar, BUT then so do many other jazz labels...Pablo and Savoy being among them.
I guess I'm an a'pile too, as I like the music on Jazz at the Pawnshop and like the recording...the Jazz LP isn't up to the musicianship on the KOB album ( hardly anything is, IMHO) But it is one heck of a recording.

Jazz at the Pawnshop is cool for the ambience of a club recording, and musically, it doesn't annoy me the way some of the direct to disc 'made to demo your hi-fi' records do. But, it is, admittedly, a record bought by audiophiles because of its sound.
Kinda Blue is of a different order. I've listened to records that sound far worse, just to hear the performance, and while I'm not a giant Miles Davis fan, I respect this record enormously. The fact that you can buy a decent copy of it new (I think even the Classic 33 rpm is probably fine and gettable, not unobtainium) makes it even more of a joy. It may not be a killer recording in the ultimate audiophile sense, but it is pretty damn good by any standard. (To my ears, the Classic 33 isn't 'alive' in the same way that, say, that Duke Ellington Jazz party record is, which literally sparkles, but that may in part be due to choices made at the time of the recording). I think that Way Out West is over-rated as an audiophile record, though I like the record.
What's a mint Columbia pressing cost these days? Probably tres cher. You are lucky DaveyF.