I never take anyone seriously, not even me.
{I still miss Frank.}
Now there's someone you could not take seriously.
Tim
CD Quality Is Not High-Res Audio
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Now there's someone you could not take seriously.
Tim
There were times I enjoyed Frank myself. The guy was nutty as an outhouse rat, but he could be fun.
Tim
I can't remember if he had a turntable, or if he was into high-resolution audio from quality music CDs?
No, he believed that all the information was captured in every format, and that even very bad recordings could be made excellent through system tweaks. He was his own guy, that's for sure.
Tim
He was unique. ...And a nice and friendly and polite people too, from Australia. ...With a fun sense of humor.
- If you could listen from another room than where the system and speakers were set up, and cannot tell if it was live or reproduced music,
then you were doing real good; no matter your system's level of resolution and its overall cost and size.
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I am happy that everything is well with him. Although I would disagree with him in many of his points and seldom get involved debating with him, he was a source of fresh ideas and some of them were really interesting. I really miss his posts.
Hopefully he has read these posts and seen "all the love" expressed! Frankie baby....get over here!
Incontrovertible double-blind listening tests prove it!
Proven: Good Old Redbook CD Sounds the Same as the Hi-Rez Formats
Proven: Good Old Redbook CD Sounds the Same as the Hi-Rez Formats
Bruce B
WBF Founding Member, Pro Audio Production Member
Not really. I'm sure that I could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, with literally hundreds of double-blind listening tests at matched levels that MP3s sound the same as CDs. The telling question for me is who are the listeners and how well trained are they in their listening? The reality is that for the vast majority of people such differences do not matter and in double blind listening tests the large majority will not hear differences between MP3s and CDs.
Clearly, MP3s, CDs, hi rez PCM, hi rez DSD, analog tape and vinyl all measure differently. If some cannot hear the differences the fault is with the limited hearing abilities of those listeners.
Unicorns do exist. If you can't see them, it's just because you aren't very good at seeing unicorns.
Aren't you contradicting yourself? It is about the training and there are many studies that show that even those with less acute hearing can do better when trained than untrained listeners with better acuity. Respondent selection is critical if what is being tested is the extreme rather than the mean in terms of audibility.
The fallacy is that so called audiophiles are stereotyped as a population composed of people that are untrained or have not developed more critical listening skills than the "vast majority". It's like saying all tennis players in a double blind can't tell the differences in rackets, string pattern, tension or even balls. There WILL be those that can, by feel alone. They will be able to tell when things just don't feel right. Whether they can identify what the causes are or not, or if they can articulate the same in a language "acceptable" to the scientifically inclined is beside the point.
I guess it depends on where the old redbook CD was mastered and how accurate it is to the original music. A poor copy makes for poor sound regardless if it's Hi-rez or a CD...
Yes. And I like Peter Aczel, but he is a bit prone to hyperbole. No competition for many subjectivist reviewers or audiophiles in that trait, but prone. Incontrovertible evidence? No. An imperfect study? Yes. 1000% better than sighted listening with every opportunity for bias fully intact? Absolutely. The problem with discussing blind listening around here is that its detractors hold it up to the highest possible scientific and statistical standards (even when they clearly do not understand them), dismissing it completely at the discovery of the smallest flaw, while demanding of themselves and their position, no standards at all. Makes discussion circular and pointless.
Tim
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