Tripoint troy signature grounding device

[Geardaddy]

would be interesting to learn what is going on before/after Tripoint from a measurement perspective...

The most interesting measurements would be using the vertex software to look at changes in timing errors based on grounding.

 

[TBG]

I forgotten that the BMC stuff was aluminum. I remember discussing that issue with Robert at Starsound and the mechanical or vibrational grounding permutations of it.

My meter showed some strange things. One the top and bottom Audio Points on the Apprentices showed continuity at the tips. But there is none along the sides. The black platform has no continuity with the points. And there is a screw on the top of my BMC M@ amp shows continuity the amp and the points on the Apprentices. I guess my Apprentices points under my BMC M2 amps are already grounded. This is not true of my Koda K 10 which is also on a Star Sound Apprentice.

 

[spiritofmusic]

I think my Symposium Acoustics Isis equipment rack may be a prime candidate for Faraday Cage grounding. It's all stainless steel, w/metal cups-ball bearings as isolation devices at each tier, and in fact there are holes predrilled in shelves that the company recommend to attach grounding wires to.
But I'm not sure I'm going to bother. We have to set our own limits to what we're prepared to spend the time/cash investigating, and this seems a little beyond OCD.

 

[TBG]

I doubt it. A good faraday cage surrounds the component, and even metal mesh is not as good a solid metal. I have discovered today that my Star Sound Apprentices under my BMC M2 amps are grounded through the ground on the amps.

 

[LL21]

I doubt it. A good faraday cage surrounds the component, and even metal mesh is not as good a solid metal. I have discovered today that my Star Sound Apprentices under my BMC M2 amps are grounded through the ground on the amps.

are you getting any changes in your measurements with/without Tripoint?

 

[TBG]

are you getting any changes in your measurements with/without Tripoint?

I must admit that I don't know what measurements you mean. I'm only looking a conductivity between points. I suspect you are talking about points to my ac wall outlet. Is that correct?

 

[LL21]

I must admit that I don't know what measurements you mean. I'm only looking a conductivity between points. I suspect you are talking about points to my ac wall outlet. Is that correct?

Sorry...what i meant was something someone asked me once. If the Tripoint is supposed to help create a common impedance across the components to which it is connected...or if it is supposed to act as a common ground for these components...then is there something electric that someone can measure for each component BEFORE it is hooked up to a Tripoint...and then again AFTER it is hooked up to the Tripoint. To see if these impedance/grounding/electrical measurements CHANGE as a result of the Tripoint.

i am a non-techie, so am trying to translate the question someone asked me. I could not answer so thought i would try to pass along what i believe the question was since you seem to be measuring things...

 

[Geardaddy]

My meter showed some strange things. One the top and bottom Audio Points on the Apprentices showed continuity at the tips. But there is none along the sides. The black platform has no continuity with the points. And there is a screw on the top of my BMC M@ amp shows continuity the amp and the points on the Apprentices. I guess my Apprentices points under my BMC M2 amps are already grounded. This is not true of my Koda K 10 which is also on a Star Sound Apprentice.

Interesting. I wonder if that's a function of the aluminum....

 

[Geardaddy]

Sorry...what i meant was something someone asked me once. If the Tripoint is supposed to help create a common impedance across the components to which it is connected...or if it is supposed to act as a common ground for these components...then is there something electric that someone can measure for each component BEFORE it is hooked up to a Tripoint...and then again AFTER it is hooked up to the Tripoint. To see if these impedance/grounding/electrical measurements CHANGE as a result of the Tripoint.

i am a non-techie, so am trying to translate the question someone asked me. I could not answer so thought i would try to pass along what i believe the question was since you seem to be measuring things...

That is a question for Miguel

 

[Geardaddy]

I think my Symposium Acoustics Isis equipment rack may be a prime candidate for Faraday Cage grounding. It's all stainless steel, w/metal cups-ball bearings as isolation devices at each tier, and in fact there are holes predrilled in shelves that the company recommend to attach grounding wires to.
But I'm not sure I'm going to bother. We have to set our own limits to what we're prepared to spend the time/cash investigating, and this seems a little beyond OCD.

It is a prime candidate like the Sistrum SP101s and backstage. Does not hurt to try

 

[LL21]

That is a question for Miguel

probably right...

 

[spiritofmusic]

DRC, as a VertexAQ proponent, can you pass any comments on the Pico grounding boxes? There seems to be some commonality btwn Pico w/Troy, Entreq, in what is trying to be achieved.
I've gone down the Entreq path as you know, so Pico across the system is not for me, but I am intrigued by the passive spkr grounding boxes.

 

[TBG]

Sorry...what i meant was something someone asked me once. If the Tripoint is supposed to help create a common impedance across the components to which it is connected...or if it is supposed to act as a common ground for these components...then is there something electric that someone can measure for each component BEFORE it is hooked up to a Tripoint...and then again AFTER it is hooked up to the Tripoint. To see if these impedance/grounding/electrical measurements CHANGE as a result of the Tripoint.

i am a non-techie, so am trying to translate the question someone asked me. I could not answer so thought i would try to pass along what i believe the question was since you seem to be measuring things...

That is what I thought you were asking. The problem is having an electric system ground handy. One can runs an extension cable to a ground and then put one probe on the component and the other on the ground of the extension. I might get around to measuring this soon.

 

[LL21]

That is what I thought you were asking. The problem is having an electric system ground handy. One can runs an extension cable to a ground and then put one probe on the component and the other on the ground of the extension. I might get around to measuring this soon.

...you can tell i am no techie......thanks for any efforts to this question...i hardly feel right in asking you to go thru any unnecessary work just to elucidate the rest of us. Nevertheless, i think many people are intrigued as to what scientifically is going on here.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Lloyd, there have been calls for measurements, reasonably, from the objective wing, but there's little sign that Miguel of Troy or Per Olof of Entreq will provide any. So I guess it's down to the guys on this forum to see what they can do. Tbh, I would like my +ve experiences w/Entreq to be validated by measurements, but I won't lose any sleep if they're not forthcoming. We'll leave doubts to the naysayers.

 

[LL21]

Lloyd, there have been calls for measurements, reasonably, from the objective wing, but there's little sign that Miguel of Troy or Per Olof of Entreq will provide any. So I guess it's down to the guys on this forum to seed what they can do. Tbh, I would like my +ve experiences w/Entreq to be validated my measurements, but I won't lose any sleep if they're not forthcoming. We'll leave doubts to the naysayers.

i hear you. i like what i hear...works for me. Thats me done. Nevertheless, i like to learn...Atmasphere, Don50, Tomelex, Gary Koh, Bruce...all great professionals who take the time to teach non-techies like me, and i do like trying to learn a bit.

 

[Geardaddy]

i hear you. i like what i hear...works for me. Thats me done. Nevertheless, i like to learn...Atmasphere, Don50, Tomelex, Gary Koh, Bruce...all great professionals who take the time to teach non-techies like me, and i do like trying to learn a bit.

Just remember that the "educational" input from some manufactures on threads is a form of subliminal advertising. I would still love to see Vertex software use to measure changes in timing errors. Another question to ask is how do you really measure RFI/EMI interference in an audio "system."

 

[TBG]

...you can tell i am no techie......thanks for any efforts to this question...i hardly feel right in asking you to go thru any unnecessary work just to elucidate the rest of us. Nevertheless, i think many people are intrigued as to what scientifically is going on here.

I taught research methods at the undergraduate and graduate levels for 45 years before retirement. I am curious myself as to what is going on. I do have an inking but I must maintain some confidential information. What I do know, however, is that I will not be without the Troy Signature. I recently asked Miguel whether he had ever experimented with lifting the ac grounds from all components. I once had a H-Cat line stage that was outstanding if all ac grounds were lifted save that on it. I did this with cheater or three to two pieces. I had them from Synergistic Research that treated them on their Tesla coil. I expect that soon I'm going try this. There is a problem, however, as many of the power cords I use are too heavy and fall out of the cheaters.

 

[rockitman]

What happened to the Tripoint "all out assault" system forum on a-gon ? Looks like Miguel took her private ?

 

[DRC]

Gosh, grounding the rack, what a concept. As if grounding components wasn't enough of a journey. I wouldn't be surprised if this then leads to grounding the room, and then the ultimate - grounding the listener LOL!!! Ironic, since signing the cheques for the astronomic prices of uber grounding can hardly be call a "grounded" behaviour pattern, more ultra OCD!!!
Just when I thought I might be able to step off the grounding merry-go-'round, I've done a little experimenting and separated the grounds to my true mono Audion preamps, keeping the ground leads on separate posts on the ground box, as opposed to combining them as I was doing. Well, an amazing impvt - greater separation in the soundstage, and less euphonic warmth. Don't find the same quantum impvt re whether I separate or combine grounding leads on single ground posts on my SETs, or even cdp and phono stage. But in my setup, the mono preamps seem v.sensitive to being grounded separately. The mysteries of grounding continue.

Hi Spirit,

I dont want you to think I am crazy but you should look up "earthing mat" in Amazon. There's a whole book written on the benefits of grounding humans. I even have friends who swear by this product so as crazy as it sounds, may be everything should be grounded. Perhaps Miguel can produce an iTroy for us in the future so that we can all have a portable version of the Troy sig and have our selves grounded permanently 24/7!!! I wonder also if Tripoint should also come up with some miniature versions of the Troy that may be used in conjunction with the Troy sig. (like Entreq and Vertex) This could allow people to test out the Tripoint products and system before stepping up to the Troy sig given that it is a sizable investment! By definition I believe that to be a true audiophile, perhaps to have some degree of OCD is kind of a basic requirement!! Since I just bought mono blocks myself, I too plan to earth both the mono blocks separately (I am out of earthing cables already!) and I think I do have enough components to warrant a second Tripoint. I also wonder which would be more beneficial- adding a second Troy Sig or upgrading the earthing cables?! I wish we could score audio "somewhat" objectively like Robert Parker does with wine!!! RP's scores are usually pretty accurate when we do blind wine tastings, our group score is usually within 1 to 2 points of his!