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[Elberoth]

Madfloyd , before you go and spend money on cables or other amps , i d suggest you contact magico about it , they are able to customize the FR for you quit easily , by just changing component values in the X over .

I'm pretty sure Alon will say sth like this:

We will not compromise the speaker, only to mach it to the customer's room anomalies.

 

[andromedaaudio]

Room anomalies are more found under the lets say 350 hz region , but its merely guessing unless have you a on axiss FR response of the speaker in question whether measured in room or in an anechoic chamber , but i agree if the room sucks up bass energy then the balance becomes distorted , never the less Mad floyd didnt have the problem with the S5 speaker , which is flat until 200 hz and then goes down a couple db in the bassregion.


Coming to think of what you said , ...... are you suggesting magico should offer a architect room plan with every type of loudspeaker sold no compromise ???
First buy the speaker then built the house?

 

[Al M.]

I don't find the bass lacking per se, no. There's a difference in tonal balance compared to my S5's where I can often feel (perceive) that there is less bass than my S5's. I felt the same way when I first got my S5's compared to my Wilson Alexias. The M-Project is closer to the Q series than the S. I say 'closer' because stereo feels there is more overhang on the M-Project than the Q series and I trust him (I haven't heard a Q in a long time and never in my own home).

Of course, being closer to a Q is a good thing in terms of overall quality. But boy can it be brutally honest on a lot of material and perhaps not all that satisfying with rock music. I guess I'm saying that I find the speakers on the bright side of neutral - at least in my room and to my ears. I have had a bit of a history struggling with treble forwardness. I'm trying to 'voice' the speakers (through placement, power & signal cables) to tone down the upper mids. For all I know I have a bit of a suckout of midrange in my room that exasperates this problem.

I think the Q series is a lot like studio 'monitors' where they are very adept at letting you hear into the recording, but perhaps not as strong at suspending disbelief of having the instruments in front of you.

Hi Ian,

you have a large glass door in the back of your speakers, right? Have you thought about room treatment, e.g., with columns of ASC tube traps (2 traps stacked on top of one another)? A few of those might help you get a better tonal balance. I have discovered that room acoustics are tremendously important, much more than I thought just a few years ago. For that reason I am also now getting ASC window plugs (as an added benefit they also provide noise insulation). My tonal balance is fine, but the space behind my speakers is too 'echoey', giving artificial depth with a too recessed image on some recordings. I believe room treatment products by ASC or equivalent are both an essential and a very cost-effective upgrade. You may get much more out of it than changing electronics, which is also the less correct way to go about 'voicing' frequency response, in my opinion.

 

[PeterA]

I wonder if I'm the only Magico owner who isn't upset when someone suggests that they aren't the perfect speaker? I really enjoy caesar's posts and feel like he's pretty fair in his comments.

Is that a serious question? Of course you are not, MadFloyd. There is no perfect speaker, and I'm sure every Magico owner realizes that. I love my Mini 2s, but I understand full well that they are far from perfect. Limited extension and being fairly inefficient are at least two of their weaknesses that come to mind.

Now, if my Mini 2's could be as efficient and extended as the Q7 and as effortless as the Ultimate 3, and as low in distortion and high in resolution as both, while remaining the same size and in the same beautiful curved wood and aluminum cabinet, then perhaps that would indeed be approaching the perfect speaker.

I enjoy some of Caesar's posts as well when they are discussing different topics, but not when it comes to the Magico threads or his relentlessly negative comments about the brand and it's customers. Calling all Magico owners the "Magico Mafia", or referring to MikeL's post as a "gracious statement toward the Magico crowd" are far from fair comments, IMO. They are condescending. And what about those comments describing us as having our guns loaded? What is that all about? I don't know any fellow Magico owner's who are remotely close to Caesar's or MikeL's characterizations of us. Stereo, Cannata, Elberoth,Myles Astor, Robert Harley, Mike from AudioShark, and the many others that we know from the forums and elsewhere? It is insulting.

I'm at a loss to understand from where all of this anger toward one group of speaker owners originates. Everyone should just get back to listening to their systems and enjoying the music.

 

[Al M.]

Is that a serious question? Of course you are not, MadFloyd. There is no perfect speaker, and I'm sure every Magico owner realizes that. I love my Mini 2s, but I understand full well that they are far from perfect. Limited extension and being fairly inefficient are at least two of their weaknesses that come to mind.

Now, if my Mini 2's could be as efficient and extended as the Q7 and as effortless as the Ultimate 3, and as low in distortion and high in resolution as both, while remaining the same size and in the same beautiful curved wood and aluminum cabinet, then perhaps that would indeed be approaching the perfect speaker.

I enjoy some of Caesar's posts as well when they are discussing different topics, but not when it comes to the Magico threads or his relentlessly negative comments about the brand and it's customers. Calling all Magico owners the "Magico Mafia", or referring to MikeL's post as a "gracious statement toward the Magico crowd" are far from fair comments, IMO. They are condescending. And what about those comments describing us as having our guns loaded? What is that all about? I don't know any fellow Magico owner's who are remotely close to Caesar's or MikeL's characterizations of us. Stereo, Cannata, Elberoth,Myles Astor, Robert Harley, Mike from AudioShark, and the many others that we know from the forums and elsewhere? It is insulting.

I'm at a loss to understand from where all of this anger toward one group of speaker owners originates. Everyone should just get back to listening to their systems and enjoying the music.

Hi Peter,

I certainly can appreciate your speakers and, as you know, I am impressed by them. While they may lack deep bass, I like their very robust and natural tonal balance which certainly is not at all tilted towards the upper midrange and the treble. If anything, the treble in your room may be a bit too subdued. Posters here have criticized my speaker system too -- spouting nonsense about weak mid-bass response, as if all systems involving minimonitors were the same -- without even having heard it. That's even worse than having an opinion about something they actually heard. I have gotten used to the nonsense and don't take it too seriously. People who have in fact heard my system have been impressed, including you. If I would be the only one who likes my (speaker) system, it might be problematic, but fortunately that is not the case.

Let's just ignore the naysayers and enjoy what we have. If someone wants to be insulting and condescending, let them have their fun, who cares?

 

[MadFloyd]

Hi Ian,

you have a large glass door in the back of your speakers, right? Have you thought about room treatment, e.g., with columns of ASC tube traps (2 traps stacked on top of one another)? A few of those might help you get a better tonal balance. I have discovered that room acoustics are tremendously important, much more than I thought just a few years ago. For that reason I am also now getting ASC window plugs (as an added benefit they also provide noise insulation). My tonal balance is fine, but the space behind my speakers is too 'echoey', giving artificial depth with a too recessed image on some recordings. I believe room treatment products by ASC or equivalent are both an essential and a very cost-effective upgrade. You may get much more out of it than changing electronics, which is also the less correct way to go about 'voicing' frequency response, in my opinion.

Hi Al,

I do have glass doors between the speakers and every once in a while (including this past weekend), I get out some drapes and hang them so that the glass is covered. It makes so little difference that it's not worth the lack of view. Perhaps the drapes aren't enough to truly change the response and I suppose I could try some ASC products. I have many of their wall planks and some half-rounds that I could place there easily as an experiment. I may do that. Thanks for your thoughts.

 

[MadFloyd]

I'm at a loss to understand from where all of this anger toward one group of speaker owners originates. Everyone should just get back to listening to their systems and enjoying the music.

Maybe it's just me, but I only see the anger from Magico owners towards caesar, not the other way around.

 

[Mark Jones]

Ian you may be right but regardless of where the anger starts, lets all put it away and enjoy our favourite music on the system we have decided to enjoy it on!

Ian, your system sounded fantastic to my ears, perfection is hopefully just around the corner. And although I didn't find your room had any glaring issues, maybe Al is correct on a bit room tuning required to reach that final level of perfection you are looking for.

Although perfection never really exists, luckily you are not far off and the road trying to get there is part of the fun of being an audio enthusiast!

 

[adyc]

Hi Al,

I do have glass doors between the speakers and every once in a while (including this past weekend), I get out some drapes and hang them so that the glass is covered. It makes so little difference that it's not worth the lack of view. Perhaps the drapes aren't enough to truly change the response and I suppose I could try some ASC products. I have many of their wall planks and some half-rounds that I could place there easily as an experiment. I may do that. Thanks for your thoughts.

Try SMT transparent V-Wings. They are very effective products. Also, since thy are made of transparent plastics, they will not obstruct the view.

 

[Mark Jones]

Try SMT transparent V-Wings. They are very effective products. Also, since thy are made of transparent plastics, they will obstruct the view.

Yes, I have seen but never heard those. They look very cool.

 

[XV-1]

Hi Al,

I do have glass doors between the speakers and every once in a while (including this past weekend), I get out some drapes and hang them so that the glass is covered. It makes so little difference that it's not worth the lack of view. Perhaps the drapes aren't enough to truly change the response and I suppose I could try some ASC products. I have many of their wall planks and some half-rounds that I could place there easily as an experiment. I may do that. Thanks for your thoughts.

Hi Ian

How many hours have you put on the speakers? You probably haven't even got close to getting the bass drivers close to run in

IMO, play them loud on CD repeat, on and off for a few weeks/months when at work so the suspensions work themselves in.

You will probably be surprised after 500 and 1000 hours play time on how much the bass will sound different

cheers, have fun

 

[MadFloyd]

Hi Ian

How many hours have you put on the speakers? You probably haven't even got close to getting the bass drivers close to run in

IMO, play them loud on CD repeat, on and off for a few weeks/months when at work so the suspensions work themselves in.

You will probably be surprised after 500 and 1000 hours play time on how much the bass will sound different

cheers, have fun

I'm fairly certain I have over 500 hours on them but not 1000. I agree that it's possible I may get more bass over time. I remember with my S5's that when I turned up the volume the sound was not linear (i.e. the bass sounded compressed or restricted) but later on this was NOT an issue.

I am really not worried.

 

[andromedaaudio]

I remember one more option to make it suit your taste , it doesnt cost much as well, easy to try if you re still not 100 % satisfied after 1000 hours
Its another way to reduce tweeter (mid) out put from the outside , take some woolfelt 5 mm thick and glue it to the baffle with 2 side sticky tape (or something else that doesnt leave a mark) , cut out holes before you glue it for the tweeter and mid and make sure it surrounds the tweeter and mid , like for example avalon or wilson .
This will improve focus and drop the tweeter output by a couple db .
Here JA did measurements on the avalon indra with or without grill , all documented


http://www.stereophile.com/content/avalon-acoustics-indra-loudspeaker-measurements

 

[Al M.]

Hi Al,

I do have glass doors between the speakers and every once in a while (including this past weekend), I get out some drapes and hang them so that the glass is covered. It makes so little difference that it's not worth the lack of view. Perhaps the drapes aren't enough to truly change the response and I suppose I could try some ASC products. I have many of their wall planks and some half-rounds that I could place there easily as an experiment. I may do that. Thanks for your thoughts.

Hi Ian,

you're welcome. Looking at the picture of your room,

http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?16181-Magico-Fan-boy!

I noticed that you have a carpet only in front of the speakers (I suppose the floor is thin carpet floor?). I'd suggest to also have a carpet behind the speakers. I now have one, and it removes some treble brightness and upper midrange emphasis. As a side effect I can also toe-in my speakers much more without the treble getting too 'hot'. It is thus a good frequency modulator, and achieves for a few hundred dollars what a cable might do for a few thousand dollars, and it does it in a more natural way, affecting the acoustics rather than manipulating the frequency response of the system itself.

A carpet behind the speaker was recommended by Art Noxon from ASC in an email to me, and also by a Thiel speaker website that I can't currently locate. Several sources suggest that the carpet should be natural fiber rather than synthetic one, as explained here:

http://www.goodsound.com/howto/2002_08_15.htm

(Mine is synthetic, and not that thick; I am still planning to replace it one day with a thick natural fiber carpet, depending on the effect of the ASC window plugs that I will be getting.)

Obviously, a carpet is much more wife-friendly than other acoustic treatments, but the transparent ones suggested above might be a good additional choice, if the ASC stuff is visually too objectionable.

I am not surprised that the drapes have a limited effect, I suppose they are just not thick enough.

 

[Al M.]

By the way, I have edited the last sentence of my post #606 from yesterday for a grave idiomatic error that completely changed the meaning of what I wanted to say (in case anyone even noticed that error). English is not my native language, and while I think that fact is usually not a problem occasionally it does trip me up.

 

[ack]

Since I started this thread, I vote to shut it down - I've waited long enough to see those "Magico Mafia" comments redacted, and it's not happening. A shame. Kill it.

 

[cannata]

Since I started this thread, I vote to shut it down - I've waited long enough to see those "Magico Mafia" comments redacted, and it's not happening. A shame. Kill it.

Well, You might as well. I am not planning to stick around where the owner of the site throw his weight around to "tone" down and question the credibility of "Magico Mafia".

Really

I think that comment is somewhat laughable

For me now you are blowing nothing more than hot air.

I also find interesting that there are more Magico owners here than probably any other speaker manufacturer and yet but 2 have posted pictures or a synopsis of their systems

I find it especially foolish that it is us, the magico aficionados - who brings the most hit to his site, get harass. I put a lot of time, thoughts and efforts to my posting (Writing English is not ideal). I have no interest in "showing off" my stuff, this is not what this hobby is about for me and we don’t all live in the US, where you can show your things and not care ( Interesting is that Steve never invited Caesar to post photos, I see no pictures or description of his system- at least I talked about my system). This is simply unacceptable.

 

[jap]

Since I started this thread, I vote to shut it down - I've waited long enough to see those "Magico Mafia" comments redacted, and it's not happening. A shame. Kill it.

I keep hoping someone with an inside track will tell us what Magico plans to do with the Q series.

 

[Steve Williams]

Steve never invited Caesar to post photos, I see no pictures or description of his system- at least I talked about my system). This is simply unacceptable.

Cannata...

FWIW, I have as well as others asked Caesar to post pictures of his system on countless occasions over the years however you must know by now that he marches to the beat of a different drum and maintains all anonymity. There is only one person here on this site who knows who he is and it seems it is his audio dealer who has also been sworn to Caesar's anonymity. Honestly cannata, once again you are barking up the wrong tree.

Like you as well as everyone here, I too would love to see Caesar put some credence to his words. Search the posts and you can see this but once again you are making false accusations

 

[David Hyman]

Was fortunate enough to hear the new Q7 mark II at Magico headquarters this week. As a Q-5 owner, and having heard the Q-7 many times in the past, i was totally not expecting what i heard. It was so above and beyond what i've heard from any speaker that i was just floored. I didn't believe a tweeter and new midrange/crossover could make such a difference, but it was transformative. Unlike any Magico or anything else I've ever heard. #BlownAway