hello!

[infinitely baffled]

hello Ron

no...that's my yoga instructor

 

[garylkoh]

Genesis might be one of the last standing with commercially-produced servo-controlled subwoofers. Velodyne is the other.

However, there are two great DIY sources for you:
http://servobass.com/OEM.html
and
http://www.rythmikaudio.com/

I can't vouch for them, but I have recommended the Rythmik subs when an owner of a Genesis subwoofer can't afford to replace it as he/she is on fixed income. The response has always been that it's been worth the price.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Oh, ok!

PS: I am an American often in London. Welcome to WBF!

 

[bgupton]

hi there

i've just joined the forum so wanted to say thank you for having me, and to introduce myself
(apologies if this isn't the correct place for that).

i'm just your typical uk-based audiophile, a lifelong music lover who joined a rave collective in the 1990's and spent ten years putting on free parties and free festivals. this has given me a love of big sound systems in natural, outdoor settings and lead me to dig an amphitheatre in my garden. my current project is to complete the sound system for about 500 people to fill the amphitheatre.

i love big speakers and big amps, all the better for moving lots of air and plumbing the depths. for a long while i've hankered after an infinitely baffled sub for my domestic system but it isn't practical without major building works....maybe one day.

musically i have fairly catholic tastes; i love bass-driven electronic dance music, roots reggae rockers and dub, drum and bass, deep hard and slammin house, ambient dub, 70's funky soul, acoustic folk (that means alt-j), psychedelic or space rock (hawkwind) and classic heavy metal like black sabbath, deep purple and rainbow.

aside from music i love fell walking, mountaineering, driving and tuning japanese cars and most beasties...especially dogs and cats. and otters. and birds. bit of an all-round tree-hugger, to be honest

so thank you again for having me and i look forward to learning lots and hopefully some stimulating discussions!

best wishes
gavman

I finally got around to setting up a system for my backyard. My house is built into a pretty steep hill which gives the yard a very cool amphitheater look and feel. I'm only running some Niles outdoor speakers into a solid state Yamaha receiver along with a Sunbrite outdoor tv, but the sound quality is pretty amazing.

It's shocking how good a small pair of speakers can sound when you get rid of walls and really give speakers some space. I had people over for all three Grateful Dead concerts on pay-per-view last weekend and it really almost felt like being at the show.

I have neighbors close by, so I'm not sure how good I can or should make my outdoor setup, but I surely do enjoy sitting outside listening to music on this system.

 

[infinitely baffled]

Genesis might be one of the last standing with commercially-produced servo-controlled subwoofers. Velodyne is the other.

However, there are two great DIY sources for you:
http://servobass.com/OEM.html
and
http://www.rythmikaudio.com/

I can't vouch for them, but I have recommended the Rythmik subs when an owner of a Genesis subwoofer can't afford to replace it as he/she is on fixed income. The response has always been that it's been worth the price.

thanks Gary. they're good value aren't they?
i just followed your link to Rythmik.
unfortunately they only seem to ship to the continental US?

 

[infinitely baffled]

I finally got around to setting up a system for my backyard. My house is built into a pretty steep hill which gives the yard a very cool amphitheater look and feel. I'm only running some Niles outdoor speakers into a solid state Yamaha receiver along with a Sunbrite outdoor tv, but the sound quality is pretty amazing.

It's shocking how good a small pair of speakers can sound when you get rid of walls and really give speakers some space. I had people over for all three Grateful Dead concerts on pay-per-view last weekend and it really almost felt like being at the show.

I have neighbors close by, so I'm not sure how good I can or should make my outdoor setup, but I surely do enjoy sitting outside listening to music on this system.

it just feels right, doesn't it, Bgupton?
lovely relaxing sounds beneath the stars.

i'm super-fortunate regards neighbours, no-one for about a mile to the south, 3 or 4 miles in any other direction and like you, i'm in the hills. well, in a valley to be precise, which is very useful for containing the sound.

 

[infinitely baffled]

Good morning Gavman and welcome to WBF

thank you very much Steve, jolly decent of you to have me

 

[infinitely baffled]

Oh, I just got the meaning of your alias. Clever!

cheers bud!
and thank you for having me. look forward to chatting with you

 

[infinitely baffled]

Hi Gavman, good to hear from the UK contingent, new as well as old.
Stimulating discussions? Most of the time. Prepare to be frustrated in equal measure otherwise.
Give as good as you get. Good luck w/being occasionally mangled by other members.
Other than that, we're all very friendly, tame and house trained!
Marc

nice one squire!

 

[infinitely baffled]

Four big bertha's? Fortunately you are not my neighbor!

Welcome to WBF!

cheers bud, that's some lovely kit you have there

 

[infinitely baffled]

Oh, ok!

PS: I am an American often in London. Welcome to WBF!

cheers fella!
that's a lovely system and a good sized room you have there

nice to meet another vpi tnt user.
well, i will be, once i buy a phono stage...

 

[infinitely baffled]

Genesis might be one of the last standing with commercially-produced servo-controlled subwoofers. Velodyne is the other.

However, there are two great DIY sources for you:
http://servobass.com/OEM.html
and
http://www.rythmikaudio.com/

I can't vouch for them, but I have recommended the Rythmik subs when an owner of a Genesis subwoofer can't afford to replace it as he/she is on fixed income. The response has always been that it's been worth the price.

i'm actively considering a pair of paradigm sub2's.
how do you think they might compare with a pair of the Rythmik f25's, which are 2 x 15's in a sealed box?
my initial splurge of reading here was about high end subs, i liked the idea of the magico qsubs, but the view of the forum seems clear; it's better to have multiple good subs than one exceptional unit.

 

[garylkoh]

i'm actively considering a pair of paradigm sub2's.
how do you think they might compare with a pair of the Rythmik f25's, which are 2 x 15's in a sealed box?
my initial splurge of reading here was about high end subs, i liked the idea of the magico qsubs, but the view of the forum seems clear; it's better to have multiple good subs than one exceptional unit.

I am also of the opinion that multiple good subs are far better than one exceptional unit - no matter how good it is. Hence, I would say that 4 units with two 12-inch woofers per unit is better than 2 units with two 15-inch woofers each.

 

[ddk]

I am also of the opinion that multiple good subs are far better than one exceptional unit - no matter how good it is. Hence, I would say that 4 units with two 12-inch woofers per unit is better than 2 units with two 15-inch woofers each.

Is that your choice in general or in this particular case? With club music bass is its own entity and you're moving air more than anything else but with classical the bass is all about tone and continuity.

david

 

[garylkoh]

First and most important, the sub(s) must be well-integrated and coherent with the rest of the loudspeaker(s). Then, more is better as it distributes around the room better. Tone and continuity is just as important to club music as it is to classical. To me, the loudspeaker must play all music well.

 

[ddk]

First and most important, the sub(s) must be well-integrated and coherent with the rest of the loudspeaker(s). Then, more is better as it distributes around the room better. Tone and continuity is just as important to club music as it is to classical. To me, the loudspeaker must play all music well.

Maybe its me but I don't hear any quality in electronic bass tones of club music, more of a repetitive rhythm than anything else. But I do agree that a high quality sound/speaker system enhances the experience. Going back to the 80's London scene, Camden Palace comes to mind for an outstanding club system.

david

 

[Ron Resnick]

Thank you!

I enjoyed my VPI TNT for many years, but I am moving on to something else next year. But I'm keeping my Io phono stage.

Cheers!

 

[infinitely baffled]

Maybe its me but I don't hear any quality in electronic bass tones of club music, more of a repetitive rhythm than anything else. But I do agree that a high quality sound/speaker system enhances the experience. Going back to the 80's London scene, Camden Palace comes to mind for an outstanding club system.

david

hello David, i don't suppose you ever visited the Ministry of Sound while you were here?
the club ran the same subwoofers as i will (eaw bh822), at the time they were considered to have the best club rig in the world.
the Levan sub was developed in the US and made it's debut in the Factory and Garage nightclubs.

i am aware that many (most) hifi manufacturers dismiss electronic dance music as an inferior format. this is a mistake, as many high-end systems have their limitations exposed by the genre, particularly in the bass department. i defy anyone to say there is no quality, subtlety or nuance required to correctly reproduce music like either track below!:

fluke - bullet (sorry not hq. i'd consider sending you the disc just to make the point...if you even remotely enjoy it please buy the album 'oto', and prepare to be astounded)

https://youtu.be/lT36oX_UoAs?list=PLHSDaeXeiTp144b8Ojgeq6zgqpxZuMt8n

from the same album (oto), 'freak'. imagine being adrift on a calm ocean, being gradually swept towards a pair of thunder gods having a barney:

https://youtu.be/IJqfYBYEpqQ?list=PLHSDaeXeiTp144b8Ojgeq6zgqpxZuMt8n

when i was involved in making music in west london we sought out the same mixing desk used by fluke, as they successfully combine enormous scale, awesome power and tremendous delicacy.
this disc is my reference for bass, this track 'freak' the 'sine que non' - without which not - meaning if a system can't pull this off, it fails.
most do

finally, as i prefer to do things in three's, just an awesome track. bermuda, also by fluke:
https://youtu.be/tg0-A49-oX8
https://youtu.be/tg0-A49-oX8

 

[infinitely baffled]

Thank you!

I enjoyed my VPI TNT for many years, but I am moving on to something else next year. But I'm keeping my Io phono stage.

Cheers!

Ron may i ask what you are intending to replace the VPI with?

after reading some of David's informative posts i've found myself hankering after a goldmund reference, even before my tnt has arrived.
for outside use i'm leaning towards a pair of garrard 301's

 

[ddk]

hello David, i don't suppose you ever visited the Ministry of Sound while you were here?
the club ran the same subwoofers as i will (eaw bh822), at the time they were considered to have the best club rig in the world.
the Levan sub was developed in the US and made it's debut in the Factory and Garage nightclubs.

i am aware that many (most) hifi manufacturers dismiss electronic dance music as an inferior format. this is a mistake, as many high-end systems have their limitations exposed by the genre, particularly in the bass department. i defy anyone to say there is no quality, subtlety or nuance required to correctly reproduce music like either track below!:

fluke - bullet (sorry not hq. i'd consider sending you the disc just to make the point...if you even remotely enjoy it please buy the album 'oto', and prepare to be astounded)

https://youtu.be/lT36oX_UoAs?list=PLHSDaeXeiTp144b8Ojgeq6zgqpxZuMt8n

from the same album (oto), 'freak'. imagine being adrift on a calm ocean, being gradually swept towards a pair of thunder gods having a barney:

https://youtu.be/IJqfYBYEpqQ?list=PLHSDaeXeiTp144b8Ojgeq6zgqpxZuMt8n

when i was involved in making music in west london we sought out the same mixing desk used by fluke, as they successfully combine enormous scale, awesome power and tremendous delicacy.
this disc is my reference for bass, this track 'freak' the 'sine que non' - without which not - meaning if a system can't pull this off, it fails.
most do

finally, as i prefer to do things in three's, just an awesome track. bermuda, also by fluke:
https://youtu.be/tg0-A49-oX8
https://youtu.be/tg0-A49-oX8

Hello IB,

I never went to the Ministry of Sound, Camden Palace was my watering hole and they played all types of music there. Its not a matter of superior or inferior music type, trance music has its own qualities my point was that the requirements for a club playing loud electronic music is very different from what one needs at home listening to primarily acoustic music. In reality a true high end system can easily play electronic music too but you have to tweak the balance. The point I made about treating the bass as its own entity in a club is what I believe is needed for an enhanced dance experience. We did a couple of large installations, one was outdoors in Asia when I was living there. There would be an average 800-900 young people there on any given night and we had to make sure that nothing went down and everyone got really hit with the groove. Over the years I've come to the realization that a system that can play classical music correctly can easily deal with all other genres but the opposite isn't always true.

I appreciate the tracks you linked but they're not for me, too monotonous and repetitive. I was never good at being led and that's how I see this type of music...

david