Ron’s New System

[Mike Lavigne]

J.R. wants me to put four foot square absorption panels on the front sidewalls by the ceiling. I will do this.

the first step is the big one.

a leap of faith.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Whats interesting about Marty is his subs really seem to do nothing. Same with my friend Bob. They are crossed low and appear to emit 0 sound. Yet the bass in both rooms has 0 boom or unnatural hang.

the best possible bass reproduction is 'sneaky' bass. where it's apparently not there until.........it is.

but the funny part is how much better your highs and mids are with sneaky bass. when i turn off my bass towers i lose a bit of magic in the other octaves as well. my bass towers only extend 'up' to 45hz. yet overtones from the bass effect optimizations of all frequencies.

 

[Johan K]

the best possible bass reproduction is 'sneaky' bass. where it's apparently not there until.........it is.

but the funny part is how much better your highs and mids are with sneaky bass. when i turn off my bass towers i lose a bit of magic in the other octaves as well. my bass towers only extend 'up' to 45hz. yet overtones from the bass effect optimizations of all frequencies.

Have exactly the same effect here. My subtowers extend only to 42hz, and is put on very very gentle amplitude. Makes all the difference in the world - so to speak.

 

[MarkusBarkus]

You sit in a listening position and hold the string to the tip of your nose.

...may I offer a process that I find a bit easier and I think just as precise. Since I almost never have a helper, I am always figuring out ways to work solo.

I place an extended tape measure, piece of wood or foam-core...anything that extends up from your chair to about the height of your head/ears.

Then I use a laser measure against the speaker, shooting to the object I have placed in the chair. I match up the measurements from each speaker to the chair, nudging either speaker as needed.

By locating the laser at the tweeter level, to the side if room allows, you can also confirm the height/location for your ears. I sometimes use foam-core so I can mark off midpoint, ear height, etc. on a grid.

If using a grid, or a midpoint line, you can also use this method to figure the speaker angles (distance to midline).

The above has worked well for me. I have used grids on the floor, protractors, and fashioned various over-engineered sighting devices on the speaker, but simple wins the day for me.

 

[Ron Resnick]

The new configuration:

 

[Alrainbow]

...may I offer a process that I find a bit easier and I think just as precise. Since I almost never have a helper, I am always figuring out ways to work solo.

I place an extended tape measure, piece of wood or foam-core...anything that extends up from your chair to about the height of your head/ears.

Then I use a laser measure against the speaker, shooting to the object I have placed in the chair. I match up the measurements from each speaker to the chair, nudging either speaker as needed.

By locating the laser at the tweeter level, to the side if room allows, you can also confirm the height/location for your ears. I sometimes use foam-core so I can mark off midpoint, ear height, etc. on a grid.

If using a grid, or a midpoint line, you can also use this method to figure the speaker angles (distance to midline).

The above has worked well for me. I have used grids on the floor, protractors, and fashioned various over-engineered sighting devices on the speaker, but simple wins the day for me.

Making things precise is a good start but making it sound right sometimes means not so precise in physical measurements
I think I read somewhere mike L seat is not precise lol. And if he can’t make it precise I don’t feel bad about it.
Simple systems are not simple if we want the best
Complex systems become an almost impossible task.
The tiny tow in on one side was a bit of a guess
as I had tried both sides tow
I use laser’s and all the stuff to be precise haha
maybe my hearing is not precisely perfect too.
two drivers seem to produce little energy
But if we turn off tweeters or subs the system is gone lol. Yet if turn all else off and leave them on
Wtf there a tiny sound
someone here knows why but there smart in 2 ways
One they really know not just know
Second why tell us why most will say that say they dont know anyway most likely an industry expert saying it
My walls are not designed by an audio person but were made best I could from two speaker makers
again at one time I had two good seats one 15 to 20 feet from front of towers
and next was a feet off center lol.
bass fixed off center
Distance to make closer sound great very hard a complete mess of trying and trying

 

[Alrainbow]

The new configuration:

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Well
Done Ron

 

[Alrainbow]

Have you tried your larger amps like this yet ?
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Guess they changes things again lol. does look great and I mean it. Your a good guy

 

[Alrainbow]

Videos ! and more importantly your thoughts after a while to let your brain adjust to new things

 

[Ron Resnick]

 

[Ron Resnick]

 

[Johan K]

The new configuration:

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I MUST say - This is almost looking better then before the bass tower swap. Just by the look - I’d say it looks more complete!

Very very beautiful set up Ron? !

/ Jk

 

[Johan K]

What kind of platter mat do you intend to use, Ron ?

 

[Folsom]

Shot of the Avaas? Curious about that.

 

[Ron Resnick]

I MUST say - This is almost looking better then before the bass tower swap. Just by the look - I’d say it looks more complete!

Thank you. Almost is no cigar. I think it looks weird to have the woofer towers inside of the panels.

 

[Ron Resnick]

What kind of platter mat do you intend to use, Ron ?

I don't need no stink'in platter mat!

Why would I need a platter mat? The Balance has, I think, a glass top layer.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

when i see some ceiling treatment then i will know you are serious.

there is an acoustical devil on one shoulder, and an aesthetic angel on the other. Tinka lurking somewhere around.

 

[Johan K]

I don't need no stink'in platter mat!

Why would I need a platter mat? The Balance has, I think, a glass top layer.

Ohh I wouldn’t know… but then glass it is! I guess that’s fine.

 

[Johan K]

Thank you. Almost is no cigar. I think it looks weird to have the woofer towers inside of the panels.

Nooo - really Ron.?? In my opinion it looks great.. I truly mean that?! I think you just have to take it in for some days and decide if the sound is that much better. If it is, the new swapped bass tower placement maybe is easier to accept then..?!

 

[Al M.]

when i see some ceiling treatment then i will know you are serious.

there is an acoustical devil on one shoulder, and an aesthetic angel on the other. Tinka lurking somewhere around.

That depends on the room, Mike. Mine desperately needed ceiling treatment, yours apparently needed it too. Having heard Ron's room I am not sure it's a requirement, but it still might improve things.