Entreq Tellus grounding

Entreq is not very public about how their boxes are designed except that they contain various types of metals and minerals. The article in hifiplus describes very well what I mean, and I respect the CAD company as a very serious player in the hifi business. CAD and Entreq are doing very similar products, and both have upgraded their lines in recent years. CAD certainly looks better, but I cant say which is the superior.
Connecting the ground pin in a wall outlet to a gounding box is probably similar to gounding the chassis of an amplifier. They are both part of the safety ground. But I dont mix safety ground and signal ground (e.g. the negative poles of the power amplifier) in one gounding box. I dont think that is advisable. I use both signal grounding and safety ground grounding (if you can put it that way) in my system. Signal grounding gives the best result, no question.
CAD and Entreq have different philosophies when it comes to signal grounding. CAD does not recommend gounding the loudspeaker negative poles of the amplifier. Entreq do recommend this. CAD prefers signal gounding at the sources (XLR, USB etc). Entreq also recommend gounding the sources along with the amplifiers negative speaker poles.
I have tried both and I think signal grounding the amplier gives a better result than signal grounding at the sources. Groundíng both amplifier and sources is probably the best. I havent done that -- I dont have enough boxes.
But I understand the CAD position -- gounding the amplifiers speaker connectors can be hazardous. In my opinion you need two separate gounding boxes -- one for each negative pole. Some amplifier can possibly be connected to the same box on both negative poles, but its hard to know what applies to a specific amplifier. Using two boxes should be safe.
This begs the question where it noise is coming from and which component is the most sensitive to high frequency noise. Noise on the live and neutral lines of the power cables is definitely detrimental. In my experience it reduces the speakers bandwidth --both bass and high frequency of the music. This can be dealt with if you have a power filter like Gigawatt.
Signal grounding has a similar effect -- it expands the bass -- but above all I get a lot more dynamics -- especialy microdynamics with signal grounding. This translates into a lot more space and natural sounding voices in the music.
Grounding the safety ground seems to lower the noise level -- I dont hear much changes in the nature of the sound.
So which component is the most sensitive? Im not sure, but I think the loudspeaker is a good candidate. As to the worse source of noise I think the power line is the worse offender. Regular power lines are perfect antennas in a completely toxic high frequency environment. Measurements in Stockholm have disclosed dangerous levels of 5G microwaves in the city center and with the new WiFi7 opening up new 6GHz bands it will only get worse.
Thanks Gotland.
I have no experience of CAD but have used Entreq extensively for many years.
My amplifier (Vitus 030 and the preceding 025) have the negative speaker grounding with Apollo
Infinity grounding cables and speaker cables.
Distinctly audible improvement with both so I can strongly recommend this application
 
In my System, and this is important because maybe in other systems things may be different, they have not worked for me: the cables with RJ45 connector to Router or Switch, the connections with Spade connector to the chassis screws of the LPS that feed My Router or Switch and I even ended up removing the connections to the negative terminals of the amplifier. In all these cases there was always a feeling of initial improvement with greater resolution, but in the medium term I realized that the sound was tiring and that was unacceptable.
This is a genuine insight.

You are absolutely right, I had an Apollo RJ45 grounding cable for my router.

After I took it off, the sound became less bright and aggressive.
 
The only connection that did make a difference was when I connected the chassis ground of a AQVox SE switch to an Entreq box.
Did you use the Entreq box on the chassis only, or did you ever try signal grounding? With signal grounding I mean the negative poles of the power amplifier or the XLR or RJ45 etc. connectors of a source? Using Entreq for the safety ground or chassis did not give as much impact on the music as signal grounding in my system.
The most probable reason why grounding boxes work is because they are draining high-frequency noise, and the level of noise will of course vary from system to system. Anzus has a very good (or extremly good) soultion for the power line, and I think the same kind of coils are implemented in Aaviks new amplifiers to drain airborne noise and other noise, with a lot cleaner sound as a result. So there are many possible solutions of this problem.
 
I sent this question to Entreq but never received a reply. Not very good customer service...

Question:
Is it ok to place the Entreq Silver Tellus on its face so that the grounding lugs are up in the air?

ozzy
 
Question:
Is it ok to place the Entreq Silver Tellus on its face so that the grounding lugs are up in the air?
Ozzy, I've done it no problem but the dealer told me that best SQ is achieved where the boat sits horizontally in the ground.
 
frankie67,
Thanks for the help. I guess that whatever is inside maybe distributes more evenly when horizontal?

ozzy
 
Got some new Vibbeaters recently for cheap in the used market, but it seems Entreq quality is slipping.


This, of course, is not from Enreq but a cheap knockoff from China, and I didn't buy it but seen it advertised in the used market, and it was advertised as a replica so the seller wansn't trying to fool anyone or pass it off as the real thing.

I have about 10 Vibbeaters and a few of the newer Tungsten ones. But seeing this did make me laugh...


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Does anyone have experience with Entreq power distributors (I believe that it's called Powerus)? Thanks. F.
 
Does anyone have experience with Entreq power distributors (I believe that it's called Powerus)? Thanks. F.
I have all Entreq cabling and ground boxes but have not tried the Powerus range
I have been advised that they can now be supplied with the QSA fuses of your choice of which I have a number in my system and which are very good.Improvements clearly audible so I am sure that would be the way to go.
 
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I have all Entreq cabling and ground boxes but have not tried the Powerus range
I have been advised that they can now be supplied with the QSA fuses of your choice of which I have a number in my system and which are very good.Improvements clearly audible so I am sure that would be the way to go.
Powerus don’t use filters.
 
I've touched on this topic before, but I will ask again. Anyone have used an Ozone Generator in the same room as their Entreq boxes? I want to Ozone treat my music room, but a little concerned about damaging the grounding effectivness of the Entreq. Didn't even consider this before until it was previsouly mentioned that those destatic guns, can ruin the Entreq boxes, but I'm not sure about Ozone.
 
I've touched on this topic before, but I will ask again. Anyone have used an Ozone Generator in the same room as their Entreq boxes? I want to Ozone treat my music room, but a little concerned about damaging the grounding effectivness of the Entreq. Didn't even consider this before until it was previsouly mentioned that those destatic guns, can ruin the Entreq boxes, but I'm not sure about Ozone.
HI...yes, I am that guy. I used the destatic (ionizer) to get rid of dust or something and literally I turned on the system, and everything that made the Entreqs special had disappeared. I did not immediately connect the 2...but was genuinely stunned. Tried to make sure all the connections were there...eventually waited 3-5 days and nothing. Then disconnected and reconnected and nothing. I had already figured out the possible cause, and eventually the manufacturer was very very good...took it all back and replaced the units and it was all back to normal. Whew.

They stood behind me on that, and I am very grateful.

As for Ozone...is that not also involving ion/ionization of some sort? I would email Per Olaf directly and ask him. He is the founder of Entreq and generally pretty responsive.
 
HI...yes, I am that guy. I used the destatic (ionizer) to get rid of dust or something and literally I turned on the system, and everything that made the Entreqs special had disappeared. I did not immediately connect the 2...but was genuinely stunned. Tried to make sure all the connections were there...eventually waited 3-5 days and nothing. Then disconnected and reconnected and nothing. I had already figured out the possible cause, and eventually the manufacturer was very very good...took it all back and replaced the units and it was all back to normal. Whew.

They stood behind me on that, and I am very grateful.

As for Ozone...is that not also involving ion/ionization of some sort? I would email Per Olaf directly and ask him. He is the founder of Entreq and generally pretty responsive.
From my understanding the Ozone generater uses gas (o3) rather than electrical charges. I did reach out to Per Olaf previsouly and confessed he didn't know and advised better not to have them in the room. I was just curious if anyone had indeed tried it and if there was any result.

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