Entreq Tellus grounding

[HK Panda]

Tested the Level 2 Protectus under a Metronome SACD player, the result is much improved even the player already treated with a Olymus Infinity T. You hear a lot more detail, more energy and more musical. Yes, using Everest, Peak 4 or Max T will certainly enhance the performance even further.

My advice is you still need good footers between the component and the Protectus if you want the best from the component as you don't want the stock footers in the chain. I am using the Critical Mass Systems Ultra TT.

The next question is if you place good footers underneath the Protectus, will it enhance the performance to a new level? I think so but I run out of footers and run out of money as well.

It will be a hot buy.

That is a good observation. Entreq has dropped the magma footers from the product line, but not the ES Pad, so the ProtectUS is a replacement
for the magma footers, but not the ES Pad. I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on something from Entreq but I'm having trouble getting replies from them.

So if I read your post correctly, you were already using the CMS footers, and then adding the Protectus in between the footers and the SACD brought you a further level of refinement? Were you also grounding the SACD with protectus?

 

[dts-99]

That is a good observation. Entreq has dropped the magma footers from the product line, but not the ES Pad, so the ProtectUS is a replacement
for the magma footers, but not the ES Pad. I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on something from Entreq but I'm having trouble getting replies from them.

So if I read your post correctly, you were already using the CMS footers, and then adding the Protectus in between the footers and the SACD brought you a further level of refinement? Were you also grounding the SACD with protectus?

I am not sure if you can call it a replacement for the Magma products. It is a totally new design product and doing different things.

Yes, I am using the CMS with my SACD player already.

At first, I remove the CMS and place the player on the Protectus, big improvement. Then I add the CMS between the player and the Protectus. Another big improvement.

I am saying that will adding ANOTHER set of CMS under the Protectus bring further improvement. My guess is YES and I will try that later.

Protectus comes with a short silver cable to connect the chassis of the component to a post at the back of the Protectus.

The instruction did not indicate you need to connect the Protectus to a ground box and I keep using the Olympus Infinity T to ground my player. May be I can try using the Olympus Infinity T to ground the Protectus instead of grounding the player.

 

[HK Panda]

I am not sure if you can call it a replacement for the Magma products. It is a totally new design product and doing different things.

Yes, I am using the CMS with my SACD player already.

At first, I remove the CMS and place the player on the Protectus, big improvement. Then I add the CMS between the player and the Protectus. Another big improvement.

I am saying that will adding ANOTHER set of CMS under the Protectus bring further improvement. My guess is YES and I will try that later.

Protectus comes with a short silver cable to connect the chassis of the component to a post at the back of the Protectus.

The instruction did not indicate you need to connect the Protectus to a ground box and I keep using the Olympus Infinity T to ground my player. May be I can try using the Olympus Infinity T to ground the Protectus instead of grounding the player.

Thanks

Interesting the Protectus is better than the CMS and adding them is even better. In regards to the grounding, it may work similar to the cleanus, where connecting a separate ground box would enhance the grounding. Entreq makes it clear the protectus is for (chassis grounding only) and I am not clear if you are grounding the SACD chassis or the signal?

If you are using the OI-T to ground the chassis, then you can connect the OI-T to the ground post on the protectus, if you are using the OI-T to ground the signal, then you should just leave that as is, and use the protectus to ground the SACD chassis.

You could consider also placing the OI-T on the protectus if there is enough room, or if not, it's own protectus. My OI-T was much better on a vibration dampening platform (Panzerholz platforms).

Just placed an order for the Protectus (L1) from my local dealer. It will be for my front end music server, which currently rests on a in-wall shelving unit which I have one Panzerholz platform there. Unfortunately the built in wall shelves are a not a strong as I would like, so I have to bolster them with a beam which I have also ordered. A larger project then I wanted but I see no other choice.

 

[dts-99]

Thanks

Interesting the Protectus is better than the CMS and adding them is even better. In regards to the grounding, it may work similar to the cleanus, where connecting a separate ground box would enhance the grounding. Entreq makes it clear the protectus is for (chassis grounding only) and I am not clear if you are grounding the SACD chassis or the signal?

If you are using the OI-T to ground the chassis, then you can connect the OI-T to the ground post on the protectus, if you are using the OI-T to ground the signal, then you should just leave that as is, and use the protectus to ground the SACD chassis.

You could consider also placing the OI-T on the protectus if there is enough room, or if not, it's own protectus. My OI-T was much better on a vibration dampening platform (Panzerholz platforms).

Just placed an order for the Protectus (L1) from my local dealer. It will be for my front end music server, which currently rests on a in-wall shelving unit which I have one Panzerholz platform there. Unfortunately the built in wall shelves are a not a strong as I would like, so I have to bolster them with a beam which I have also ordered. A larger project then I wanted but I see no other choice.

Don’t know where you get the idea that Protectus is better than CMS. They are doing totally different things. Both are excellent products.

Adding quality footers between the component and the Protectus will only increase the enjoyment than using the Protectus by itself.

 

[HK Panda]

Don’t know where you get the idea that Protectus is better than CMS. They are doing totally different things. Both are excellent products.

Adding quality footers between the component and the Protectus will only increase the enjoyment than using the Protectus by itself.

I got it from your words. You removed the CMS and put the player on the Protectus, big improvement. Is that not what you meant? That is how I took it. So you mean big improvement over nothing, not big improvement over the CMS?

> At first, I remove the CMS and place the player on the Protectus, big improvement. Then I add the CMS between the player and the Protectus. Another big improvement.

 

[HK Panda]

The Protectus arrived here today after a month long shipping time. Installed in under the music server, and it replaced the Panzerholz platform I was using before.

I would agree with DTS-99 that to get the best from the Protectus you still need some decent footers. I'm using my self developed ones, and setup the protectus in the same configuration I had with the Panzerholz. (needed footers for that platform too, so I wasn't surprised)

The protectus platform, like most Entreq gear, needs time to settle in. First listen didn't impress me, and I also wasn't sure to keep the Everest knob on the Macro Box, or put in on the Protectus. I moved the Everest to the protectus, but didn't feel it was as effective as having it on the Macrobox, so I moved it back. I kept the mini Apollo ground cable (from Nano kit) from the Macrobox to the music server chassis, and used the ground cable that comes with the protectus to provide an additional chassis ground from music server to the protectus. I will probably need to get another Everest for the protectus so it can have it's own.

After some hours things started to get good, and then later it surpassed my reference setup.

Happy with the purchase.

Update. PO has informed me that the Protectus takes about 3 days to settle and will improve during that time.

 

[HK Panda]

Hope everyone is doing well.

I have been working the past year on some low-cost products that complement Entreq grounding. Because of forum rules I won't got into specific details here but so far I have tested on Pluton, Olympus Tungsten, Olympus Ten T, all the ground cables, and now the Protectus. In my setup (and my local entreq dealers showroom) have all yielded positive results, and without getting into too much detail it's on the order of adding an Everest, or Peak 4 to a setup that didn't have it before.

I'm looking for 1-2 Entreq customers to try out the product, and all that is required of you, is to provide detailed feedback to me as to your testing results. Contact me via PM and tell me your Entreq gear setup and a photo if possible, and we can go from there. If I get more than 2 interested parties we will choose testers based on the equipment diversity (more is better) and your ability to test and
ability provide useful feedback.

Thanks for you time.

 

[HK Panda]

I snatched up a used Atlantis Infinity that showed on in the used marketplace here in China. Tonight I swapped it with the Apollo Infinity cable grounding my music server chassis and also later that servers USB, and although it brought out more in the vocals, I felt it was a bit too much. Perhaps a better home for it will be grounding the power conditioner chassis which currently has an Apollo Infinity on it. I do like the length on it compared to the extra short cables that come with the Nano. What was this particular cable used for?

 

[ozzzy]

Hope everyone is doing well.

I have been working the past year on some low-cost products that complement Entreq grounding. Because of forum rules I won't got into specific details here but so far I have tested on Pluton, Olympus Tungsten, Olympus Ten T, all the ground cables, and now the Protectus. In my setup (and my local entreq dealers showroom) have all yielded positive results, and without getting into too much detail it's on the order of adding an Everest, or Peak 4 to a setup that didn't have it before.

I'm looking for 1-2 Entreq customers to try out the product, and all that is required of you, is to provide detailed feedback to me as to your testing results. Contact me via PM and tell me your Entreq gear setup and a photo if possible, and we can go from there. If I get more than 2 interested parties we will choose testers based on the equipment diversity (more is better) and your ability to test and
ability provide useful feedback.

Thanks for you time.

 

[HK Panda]

Hope everyone is doing well.

I have been working the past year on some low-cost products that complement Entreq grounding. Because of forum rules I won't got into specific details here but so far I have tested on Pluton, Olympus Tungsten, Olympus Ten T, all the ground cables, and now the Protectus. In my setup (and my local entreq dealers showroom) have all yielded positive results, and without getting into too much detail it's on the order of adding an Everest, or Peak 4 to a setup that didn't have it before.

I'm looking for 1-2 Entreq customers to try out the product, and all that is required of you, is to provide detailed feedback to me as to your testing results. Contact me via PM and tell me your Entreq gear setup and a photo if possible, and we can go from there. If I get more than 2 interested parties we will choose testers based on the equipment diversity (more is better) and your ability to test and
ability provide useful feedback.

Thanks for you time.

There is one more sample kit available so if you like trying out new things, and who knows, you might be pleasantly surprised by the results. Just contact me by PM.

 

[Stereophonic]

I don't find any reference to Entreq MaxMix T2 Kit.
I find it very interesting. Any experience?

 

[LL21]

I have heard many many good things from those who have utilized Entreq and Tripoint around the negative terminals of the amp/speaker or something. I believe this is the next iteration of thinking around EMI/noise at this interface, and that it works very well for a very simple insertion.

I wanted to try but with the Robert Koda amps there is floating DC output on the line or something so it is not advised by Robert Koda to utilize these.

 

[ADGold]

This thread has been dormant for a while but wanted to share my recent audio journey with Entreq. This has been a completely unique experience relative to prior upgrades and changes to my playback system.

After reading many positive professional and consumer reviews, I decided to purchase a previously enjoyed Silver Tellus with a Discover Infinity grounding cable. The intention was to connect the grounding cable to the grounding pin at the back of my Lumin T2. I had some initial concerns as the spade seemed too large for the grounding pin and I felt that the connection was contacting more of the fabric than the conducting metal. For that reason, I had some modest expectations. After about 10 minutes, what I heard was completely transformational. I abandoned any obligations or commitments for that day and spent almost 7 continuous hours in my listening room. With the profound and positive sonic impact grounding my network player alone, I immediately thought that I should utilize some of the other spare posts on the Entreq and ground my pre-amp. I found a used Kontantin XLR grounding cable online for that purpose. After transferring the funds, some further research revealed that it is not recommended to ground a digital and analog component on the same grounding chamber. This was quite disheartening as I had already committed to a new cable and was looking forward to deriving further benefits from the Tellus. As is always the case with audio, there were some case examples with customers who found benefit grounding both analog and digital on a single chamber provided that the box was large enough.

After connecting the grounding cable to my pre-amp, I was a little surprised during a brief listening session to hear some brightness on certain recordings. I rationalized that the cable will need some additional time and I was probably listening to the wrong recordings.

The next day I deliberately played the recordings that I had enjoyed 48 hours earlier with just the digital grounded. It was very clear that the sound had deteriorated with both components grounded to the Tellus - the soundstage had collapsed, there was increased congestion, the dynamics were blunted, and the increased crispness of the transient attacks were all but eliminated. The manufacturer evidently was correct in their recommendation. Provided that the pre-amp is a larger and heavier unit than the Lumin, I decided to disconnect the digital and keep the pre-amp grounded to the Silver Tellus. Within a few minutes the sound started to open up again. I realized that I needed a second grounding box and found a used Silver Minimus Infinity locally. The new configuration at that time was Minimus to Lumin via Discover Infinity and Tellus to pre-amp via Konstantin Infinity.

Fast forward three weeks to yesterday evening, during a critical listening session, I felt that the magic I heard when I initially connected the Silver Tellus had not returned. I decided to then switch the grounding cables such that the Minimus was now connected to the pre-amp and the Tellus was now connected to the Lumin. This is contrary to what would be recommended as the pre-amp exceeds the weight recommendation for the Minumus. However, I am pleased to (cautiously) report the transformational sound has seemingly returned.

I cannot recall an accessory or tweak that has had such a profound and immediate impact on my system as these grounding boxes. Looking forward to further upgrades and experimentation (K2 or Everest plugs for example) when my funds replenish.

 

[Barry2013]

This thread has been dormant for a while but wanted to share my recent audio journey with Entreq. This has been a completely unique experience relative to prior upgrades and changes to my playback system.

After reading many positive professional and consumer reviews, I decided to purchase a previously enjoyed Silver Tellus with a Discover Infinity grounding cable. The intention was to connect the grounding cable to the grounding pin at the back of my Lumin T2. I had some initial concerns as the spade seemed too large for the grounding pin and I felt that the connection was contacting more of the fabric than the conducting metal. For that reason, I had some modest expectations. After about 10 minutes, what I heard was completely transformational. I abandoned any obligations or commitments for that day and spent almost 7 continuous hours in my listening room. With the profound and positive sonic impact grounding my network player alone, I immediately thought that I should utilize some of the other spare posts on the Entreq and ground my pre-amp. I found a used Kontantin XLR grounding cable online for that purpose. After transferring the funds, some further research revealed that it is not recommended to ground a digital and analog component on the same grounding chamber. This was quite disheartening as I had already committed to a new cable and was looking forward to deriving further benefits from the Tellus. As is always the case with audio, there were some case examples with customers who found benefit grounding both analog and digital on a single chamber provided that the box was large enough.

After connecting the grounding cable to my pre-amp, I was a little surprised during a brief listening session to hear some brightness on certain recordings. I rationalized that the cable will need some additional time and I was probably listening to the wrong recordings.

The next day I deliberately played the recordings that I had enjoyed 48 hours earlier with just the digital grounded. It was very clear that the sound had deteriorated with both components grounded to the Tellus - the soundstage had collapsed, there was increased congestion, the dynamics were blunted, and the increased crispness of the transient attacks were all but eliminated. The manufacturer evidently was correct in their recommendation. Provided that the pre-amp is a larger and heavier unit than the Lumin, I decided to disconnect the digital and keep the pre-amp grounded to the Silver Tellus. Within a few minutes the sound started to open up again. I realized that I needed a second grounding box and found a used Silver Minimus Infinity locally. The new configuration at that time was Minimus to Lumin via Discover Infinity and Tellus to pre-amp via Konstantin Infinity.

Fast forward three weeks to yesterday evening, during a critical listening session, I felt that the magic I heard when I initially connected the Silver Tellus had not returned. I decided to then switch the grounding cables such that the Minimus was now connected to the pre-amp and the Tellus was now connected to the Lumin. This is contrary to what would be recommended as the pre-amp exceeds the weight recommendation for the Minumus. However, I am pleased to (cautiously) report the transformational sound has seemingly returned.

I cannot recall an accessory or tweak that has had such a profound and immediate impact on my system as these grounding boxes. Looking forward to further upgrades and experimentation (K2 or Everest plugs for example) when my funds replenish.

Interesting.
Sometimes you do need to experiment, but normally not a problem

 

[ozzzy]

Instead of the K2 or Everest try the newer Max T.
https://www.entreq.com/products/ground-boxes/ground-posts/max-t/ they will transform your Silver Tellus.

ozzy

 

[LL21]

Instead of the K2 or Everest try the newer Max T.
https://www.entreq.com/products/ground-boxes/ground-posts/max-t/ they will transform your Silver Tellus.

ozzy

Agree...i have largely switched over some time ago and found them to be a very nice improvement over the prior generation (Everest)

 

[Roger]

Agree...i have largely switched over some time ago and found them to be a very nice improvement over the prior generation (Everest)

I have fins out that to Many maxt t can be to much in the system so i have also peak 4.
Know i gone test maxt on my protectus i have

 

[LL21]

I have fins out that to Many maxt t can be to much in the system so i have also peak 4.
Know i gone test maxt on my protectus i have

Yes, I agree one needs to be careful with automatically changing to Max T. I made changes one a a time between Everest and Max T.

 

[ADGold]

Instead of the K2 or Everest try the newer Max T.
https://www.entreq.com/products/ground-boxes/ground-posts/max-t/ they will transform your Silver Tellus.

ozzy

From what I can see, the current Max T is only available in the MixMax T2 kit comprised of two Max Ts and two Max T2s for $1600 USD?

 

[ozzzy]

I actually have 2 Peak 4's and 2 Max T's on my Silver Tellus. And, I only have one component connected to the Entreq, the ground on my Lumin X1 power supply which outputs direct to my Mono block amps.

ozzy