And very biased / unprofessional. Time for a "stage right" exit.Since you are the dealer of Alsyvox, I think it is better for you to make no comments about competitive products especially with similar design. It is very distasteful.
And very biased / unprofessional. Time for a "stage right" exit.Since you are the dealer of Alsyvox, I think it is better for you to make no comments about competitive products especially with similar design. It is very distasteful.
I would assume You're a Samsung phone user rather than an iPhone one(and the fact that it is made in a high wage economy)
Samsung phone is made in Vietnam. If both phones are made in high wage economy, you may need to pay double or triple.I would assume You're a Samsung phone user rather than an iPhone one
Sadly, choice is limited when it comes to these horrid devices. Smart phones benefit from economies of scale, most high end audio products do not. Thus, if two audio products compete in the same market segment (both very expensive dipole planars) and one is made in a high wage economy and the other in a low wage economy, the latter carries more margin. Of course, other factors come into play such as manufacturer and dealer support, product reliability, product build quality (including under the shiny exterior), etc. On the build quality front, I was less than impressed by what I saw on this video:I would assume You're a Samsung phone user rather than an iPhone one
With Alsyvox we go as far as to have the yesterday's 9 page review by RH in TAS that discusses pretty much every aspect of the build process and materials used when making the Alsyvox speakers vs. a YT video. YMMV but this is how we choose to market the Alsyvox products.Sadly, choice is limited when it comes to these horrid devices. Smart phones benefit from economies of scale, most high end audio products do not. Thus, if two audio products compete in the same market segment (both very expensive dipole planars) and one is made in a high wage economy and the other in a low wage economy, the latter carries more margin. Of course, other factors come into play such as manufacturer and dealer support, product reliability, product build quality (including under the shiny exterior), etc. On the build quality front, I was less than impressed by what I saw on this video:. Not sure if there is a video showing the interior build quality of an Alsyvox for comparison purposes.
HelloI refer only to PHP’s sound comment: less real and less controlled because it is not push pull.
If competitors only state objective facts of their competitors’ products , I am perfectly fine. Florian’s post is only about objective facts and not about sound quality of Alsyvox. If Florian states wrongly about the objectives facts of Alsyvox, you are absolute correct to point them out.
What is distasteful is to comment the sound quality of competitors products.
They only sell neodyminum version these days. I play Studio plus with 80w tube amps with great results, so efficency is not a prolem. I am also happy to play them with Aries Cerat gear which makes it such a great partner, so musical and real, just incredible experience. I will never go back to cone speakers no matter how good they are. Alsyvox Boticelli I have heard in Munich, was great as well, but I could not say it is better or worse ten Clarisys, different room, gear and music.
Opinion about design is important and how it works could explain sound difference. That said I am a dealer who choose very few brands I found to be extremely good. I do not have a usual dealer approach.In a thread about comparing the 2 speaker designs i would hope someone will comment honestly, even dealers ! Let the mudslinging begin !![]()
Proof is in listening Bob, you're right.Speaking of Alsyvox, I am on my way to Albuquerque to pack up the Caravaggio XX that Robert Harley has been reviewing for the last four months.
Stay tuned for a fourteen page layout/review of the C XX in the July/August issue of TAS.
Once the C XX are packed into their flight cases tomorrow morning, they will be picked up tomorrow afternoon by the shipping company and begin their trip to Rhapsody Brooklyn.
We then will have both Botticelli X and Caravaggio XX available for demonstration.
Bon Voyage!
Sadly, choice is limited when it comes to these horrid devices. Smart phones benefit from economies of scale, most high end audio products do not. Thus, if two audio products compete in the same market segment (both very expensive dipole planars) and one is made in a high wage economy and the other in a low wage economy, the latter carries more margin. Of course, other factors come into play such as manufacturer and dealer support, product reliability, product build quality (including under the shiny exterior), etc. On the build quality front, I was less than impressed by what I saw on this video:. Not sure if there is a video showing the interior build quality of an Alsyvox for comparison purposes.
The metal bars that hold the ribbons in place appear to be cut to random lengths, with random width clearances and with poor alignment. I don’t expect that this impacts the sound one iota, but it does seem a bit underwhelming for the asking price and in this segment of the market these things matter.Curious as to what made this unimpressive to you in the video ..? The Clarysis if nothing else has fantastic build quality and finish ..
The metal bars that hold the ribbons in place appear to be cut to random lengths, with random width clearances and with poor alignment. I don’t expect that this impacts the sound one iota, but it does seem a bit underwhelming for the asking price and in this segment of the market these things matter.
Hi Gary, In the interest of discussion, in how many rooms have you heard Alsyvox speakers? As we all know the lower registers/bass is very room and other system variables dependent.Seems like quite a few dealers are plugging the Alsyvox speakers, which is totally fine. If I sold them I most likely would do the same.
I for one am happy that there are great choices in the Plainer / Dipole categories. It's also good that some clarifications are made on materials & build quality. We do make mistakes sometimes on our reporting of materials and build quality. Also things change as far as upgrades.
I would like to reiterate some of my findings & opinions. I surely don't mean to start a shit show...( some of you already have). We all have our opinions & references. That is ok, but if you have not physically seen the build quality ( hands on ) of each, your opinion means nothing. Please keep in mind I have heard both brands in intimate settings / rooms with very good amps, pre & source. I Have heard them both at shows as well, which means nothing in bad rooms. It's also a mute point to make an opinion on Videos, Why? crazy! I IMHO!
I feel both speakers are built extremely well, I love the look of the Alsyvox with the wood accents. I also like the look of the Clarisys with it's aluminum accents & different colors. The weight of the Clarisys is a plus. They are both beautiful!
Beauty is not the only reason to purchase. Buyers reference for sure.
My main concerns on the differences stem from the sound across the frequency spectrum & room interaction. Both speakers are extremely true to the source, good recordings are a pure pleasure to behold. Bad recordings, well you know!. Both are very open, transparent, fast, great sound staging, decay, timber of instruments. They both have a nice widow into the music. They draw you in. No harshness in the upper frequencies, nice & extended. No comparison to some of the crap tweeters on the market. I guess you can say I like ribbons!
My main concern was the Bass! The Clarisys are far superior in the lower region. Full, more Weight, Definition. Even the mid bass is a cut above. To me they just dig deeper as well. IMHO!
Maybe in a different setting it could be different. But my search did not bring a positive result in this category. I respect others findings, but for me I feel I made a great choice. You need to hear these in a good setup to form a educated, personal decision.
BTW, Another plus for the Clarisys is being able to go with an active crossover...WOW! Game Changer!
Hi Bob,Hi Gary, In the interest of discussion, in how many rooms have you heard Alsyvox speakers? As we all know the lower registers/bass is very room and other system variables dependent.
I have a fun idea! What if we choose an impartial "reviewer(s)" for visits to your place to listen to your Auditoriums with the six mono amps?
Then the "reviewer(s) can visit Brooklyn to hear the Alsyvox Botticelli X with low tube power?
Both the Auditorium and the Botticelli X are similar in retail price.
I'm not quite certain on what amps that I would choose as I am in the midst of testing 5 Watt 45 based amps, 2A3/300B 2.5V, a pair of Jadis 300B 20 Watt SET's (trade ins) and a 27 Watt Kondo Ongaku.
The 2A3/300B 2.5 amps are arriving tomorrow after a nine month build wait. I need 2 weeks running them 24/7 before I can make an evaluation, then I would know what amps I would use for "the reviewer(s)" visit.
It would also be fun if you are in the NY area to come for a visit. I would love to hear your system as well I'm sure it sounds great.
Interested?
Hearing them in the same room will most likely never happen. My suggestion was to illustrate that one speakers low level bass performance can not be said to be "better" based on listening at shows and maybe one other room.I think that reviewers coming to two different listening rooms with two different sets of associated electronics and two different sources for the ostensible purpose of attempting to compare two different loudspeakers doesn't result in definitive or even interesting information. If we all are being honest and not partisan we know right now that both of these brands of speakers can sound amazing and convincing.
As a lifelong devotee of planar loudspeakers the only comparison which would be probative and informative and fascinating to me would be to hear the Auditorium Plus and the Botticelli in the same room with the same electronics and the same source.
As the US importer for Analysis Audio (planar-ribbon) Loudspeakers and the owner/designer of Arion Audio speakers, it's nice to read about all the passion over light membrane dipole speakers.
Having been involved in planar-ribbon design/development and designing and manufacturing our own AMT drivers I think I have a fairly decent understanding of how these transducers work. I can assure you that almost always the implementation matters more. To say all Mylar or all Kapton is better or using the same substrate is better is meaningless. There are specific reasons why an engineer or designer will choose one over the other or a combination of both. For example, Analysis uses Kapton for the M/T ribbon and Mylar for the large diaphragm. There are very specific reasons for these choices. The Arion AMT drivers use Mylar because the properties are more suitable for the application.
Interesting that one brand chose N52 Neodymium magnets. They are at the stronger end of the spectrum but are much less stable against oxidation, heat and impact. We use N45 Neodymium magnets which are only slightly less powerful but more stable across the board. We still achieve 105 dB sensitivity.