Ah but you did get under skin by declaring your system sounds natural. They then think, “mine is nothing like Peter’s, so he must be saying mine isn’t natural !”
Natural Sound
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Yes but should anyone be annoyed that someone else doesn't think their system sounds good. I mean if you think it sounds good that's all that matters. On the other hand if you're feeling a bit insecure and not confident in your system or hearing ability...
Well before there was a WBF, well before I owned any Lamm gear ...
"By the time I'd put 400 hours or so on the (Lamm) LL2.1, this character had dissolved into some of the most natural instrumental tonality I've ever heard."
There are a handful of people here who exhibit a high degree of sensitivity to their feelings of being talked down to or put upon by people who are confident in their speech and beliefs.
But I never thought of Lavigne as a bear...
True. However, you can be confident in what you have achieved, with your system or otherwise in life, and still take objection to a perceived attitude -- here or anywhere else in life.
Says the man who feels the need to repeatedly ask whether others can hear differences between two exactly identical tracks
Exactly, Peter had upgraded all his adult life but didn’t get what he refers to as “natural” sound until he got rid of his solid state Pass Labs amplification, Magico speakers and expensive cables and replaced them with Lamm amplification, Vitavox corner horn speakers and plain cables. He always played vinyl, but made upgrades there as well.
Many here have been trying to get something similar to what Peter attained so write for advice on why he got rid of (widely accepted as upper end) gear, and how the final choice fixes whatever. Others read what Peter thought was wrong about some of his previous equipment, equipment that some of these readers spent a great deal on and, because of that, refuse to accept that theirs isn’t providing “natural” sound. Then there are those running very high-end digital systems that they feel sounds better than any other system they have ever heard, and when reading that Peter is only playing AAA vinyl to attain his “natural” sound, feel compelled to argue digital is more accurate so must be more natural (or various alternative but similar arguments).
So, three years and 5,248 postings later, is there anything more to say? Everyone who has learned from Peter’s experience has already learned it. Reviewing further isn’t necessary. Everyone who feels Peter, by getting rid of his Pass Labs or Magico speakers, has told those with such that they have a tin ear, will not stop arguing out of pride. And so it goes on.
Sure, but that is their conclusion based on faulty logic. I am not saying anything about other systems. This thread is about my system, not anyone else’s. And besides, who cares about one guy’s opinion who has never heard their systems anyway?
I thought my old system sounded Sublime. That certainly did not mean other systems did not. People should just listen. They will know if their systems sound natural or not. Didn’t Spiritofmusic tell us that everyone thinks his system sounds natural or at least that is everyone’s goal?
Did he say everyone or everyone including Ked
Peter, you did absolutely nothing wrong. You shared your findings from a long journey and that they differ from that of some on this site is surely not an intentional slight on your part. They need to back off and either accept your findings or not but stop arguing.
To those reading this, be happy with your system as it is, or change it in any way you like. Peter has offered one path that worked for him, you can accept his findings as factual and move towards that direction, or not and follow your own path at your own expense. Are we done now?
Nice summation Mark. People should read the first page, skip ahead to the AS2000 section and forget all the arguing in between. Life is too short. Listen to music.
Perhaps something along the lines of “ Convincing Sound “ or “ Compelling Sound “ might have ruffled fewer feathers , Dunno !
Now you are just being tedious , Or have you become Peters Latest Pet !
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Yes Ked, you have the most natural sounding system on WBF. What is more natural than utter pitch black silence, not a wrong note to be found
Natural describes something that comes from nature, rather than being man-made.
a hifi system cannot sound natural. It can sound realistic, dynamic, warm, lean, musical, transparent etc etc, but it can't sound natural.
a hifi system cannot sound natural. It can sound realistic, dynamic, warm, lean, musical, transparent etc etc, but it can't sound natural.
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You started this thread in 2021, so it's been three years now. I assume you are still happy with your system, and don't regret the path you've taken. Are there aspects you would like to further improve? Or things you would simply be curious to try?
Since I started the thread, I got two new vintage cartridges, a Technics MM and an Ortofon MC with step up. They are both excellent. I bought the AS2000 turntable, a significant improvement over the excellent Micro Seiki SX8000 II. I upgraded my phono stage. I redid my power delivery and grounding. I improved my speaker positioning and continue experimenting with room acoustics. Every improvement resulted in more natural sound. I did buy a second pair of ML2s as spares but also for the possibility of adding subs if I ever move to a bigger house with a better room.
I am always curious to try different cartridges. I suspect the rest of my system is now as it will be. I did hear something in the new American sound turntable, which I have not heard from any other turntable, a complete calmness and higher degree of natural sound. Sadly, I don’t see that turntable ever being in my system. My curiosity is for the unusual, rare and coveted components that have stood the test of time. They are that way for a reason.
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