Apogee Diva with Infinite Baffle

[Zero000]

R

Pity

Really? I thought another day's holiday more fun.

Anyway, I was there 2 weeks ago for 4 days.

Amsterdam is very easy to get to from Bristol.

 

[Zero000]

Justin, as you know I heard yr 211 amps on the Duettas. They truly sang. Now, whether they would in another room, esp a larger one, maybe, maybe not. But in yr personal situation, the sound wanted for v little.

Thanks Marc. Ked's in BS mode.

 

[bonzo75]

R


Really? I thought another day's holiday more fun.

Anyway, I was there 2 weeks ago for 4 days.

Amsterdam is very easy to get to from Bristol.

Ok so let's wait and see how easily you get over to listen. You haven't done it in years.

 

[Zero000]

Ok so let's wait and see how easily you get over to listen. You haven't done it in years.

True.

Mind you if I really wanted to I would have done it on the last trip. That doesn't mean I won't. But I don't feel a.massive urge to.

 

[rugyboogie]

In my attempt to narrow down my choices of new speakers I listened to a set of Soundlab at a local dealer. They were powered by the new Parasound JC-5.
Couldn't tell how the amp was cause the speakers sounded like they had 10 sets of blankets and the left speaker had a crackle on them. The previous weekend listened with a Naim amp but it shut down and wouldn't start back up while I was there.
The JC-5 didn't shut down. Apparently the JC-5 is the latest and replaces the JC-1.

History of amps in my room.
Owned the ML 33, ML 33h and ASR Emitter II Exclusive . Had my Maxx II and
had a tube itch and was able to get a Wyetech Topaz 211 with the Audio Note trannies. The Topaz became the go to amp and after a year started selling off the MLs and the ASR. Topaz worked better and had more authority, better sound stage with the Wilson then did the other 3 SS. 18 watt beat 300.

211
Which 211 powered amp are/were you using with the Duetta because to this day I still rotate my DarTZeel with the Topaz.

Spoke to Rich of True Sound Works today. Divas will be ready in Feb-March.

 

[BruceD]

In my attempt to narrow down my choices of new speakers I listened to a set of Soundlab at a local dealer. They were powered by the new Parasound JC-5.
Couldn't tell how the amp was cause the speakers sounded like they had 10 sets of blankets and the left speaker had a crackle on them. The previous weekend listened with a Naim amp but it shut down and wouldn't start back up while I was there.
.

Sorry to hear--sadly similar to my tales of woe persevering with Soundlabs-- the angst just to keep them in full operational mode became too much--mores the pity--I've talked with Dr West and his dedication is commendable to the Hi End ESL fabric.
Of the 3 versions I've owned all have not remained a viable speaker in my systems--as mentioned above spitting /crackling panels/etc
I never tried any with a Naim amp--but the Pristines I had while putting on a "son et lumière"
would shut down the Gryphon Antelion but not the ElectroR A75-ha!

A superb Speaker but still with the ESL Curse.

 

[Zero000]

The mono on the far right. Loaded with NOS Amperex 211, and excellent 211. Better than KR when compared against it, and better than GE, RCA, cheap Chinese etc.

You cannot buy them anymore. Austria Analogue 211 PSE. They can output 170 Watts peak, and I believe it, as otherwise they wouldn't drive my Duetta Interstellas as well as they do.

Whilst they won't go quite as loud as half a Kilowatt of SS, they get pretty close. The last few hundred Watts really don't add much to volume output.

 

[Zero000]

Sorry to hear--sadly similar to my tales of woe persevering with Soundlabs-- the angst just to keep them in full operational mode became too much--mores the pity--I've talked with Dr West and his dedication is commendable to the Hi End ESL fabric.
Of the 3 versions I've owned all have not remained a viable speaker in my systems--as mentioned above spitting /crackling panels/etc
I never tried any with a Naim amp--but the Pristines I had while putting on a "son et lumière"
would shut down the Gryphon Antelion but not the ElectroR A75-ha!

A superb Speaker but still with the ESL Curse.

All panels need maintenance. They fail. Full stop. It's a running expense you have to factor in.

 

[christoph]

But I don't feel a.massive urge to.

I don't feel any urge but I'm curious and interested, so I use any chance to listen to different stuff and to widen my horizon

 

[christoph]

The Topaz became the go to amp and after a year started selling off the MLs and the ASR. Topaz worked better and had more authority, better sound stage with the Wilson then did the other 3 SS. 18 watt beat 300.

In my case, 30 Watts beat 1000 Watts, easily

Which 211 powered amp are/were you using with the Duetta because to this day I still rotate my DarTZeel with the Topaz.

The Dartz could work on the Divas but I would NOT get rid of the Topaz

Spoke to Rich of True Sound Works today. Divas will be ready in Feb-March.

Congrats on the incoming Rich-ed Divas
The Divas should work with a very good Tube amp. I would prefer tubes over SS on the Divas
So defo no FullRanges, pity
Whereas the FRs probably won't be able to be Tube amp driven

 

[christoph]

Austria Analogue 211 PSE. They can output 170 Watts peak, and I believe it, as otherwise they wouldn't drive my Duetta Interstellas as well as they do.

Then they can NOT be in Class A1 mode.
The Audio Note Kagura is a PSE 211 design and they say it puts out 50 watts in Class A1.

Are you sure your amp is PSE and not PP?
Or Class A2 and not Class A1?

 

[bonzo75]

Already heard the Kagura with divas and Kondo m1000. You need more power. Like real drive and power

 

[Zero000]

Then they can NOT be in Class A1 mode.
The Audio Note Kagura is a PSE 211 design and they say it puts out 50 watts in Class A1.

Are you sure your amp is PSE and not PP?
Or Class A2 and not Class A1?

The name causes confusion. It's push pull. A1 to 35 Watts I believe.

 

[Zero000]

I don't feel any urge but I'm curious and interested, so I use any chance to listen to different stuff and to widen my horizon

Well, yes Christoph. I must have done loads of reports of different kits all over the web...

I'd rather Henk had Full Range running than Grand TBH. Not too interested in the Grand.

 

[christoph]

Already heard the Kagura with divas and Kondo m1000. You need more power. Like real drive and power

Ked, not everybody listens most of the time to all-in full orchestra mayhem like you or mostly to Dance-House-Goa-Electronica.
It really depends on what Music rugyboogie listens to mostly, where his Musical Focus lies.

 

[christoph]

Well, yes Christoph. I must have done loads of reports of different kits all over the web...
I'd rather Henk had Full Range running than Grand TBH. Not too interested in the Grand.

I know you did a LOT of amp shoot-outs. Your amps with the misleading name must be VERY good

The Grands are not for all.
Alone due to their rarity, price and extreme complexity.
The FR on the other hand could be brutal

 

[Tango]

Already heard the Kagura with divas and Kondo m1000. You need more power. Like real drive and power

You heard the Kondo not the Audio Note.

Ked, not everybody listens most of the time to all-in full orchestra mayhem like you or mostly to Dance-House-Goa-Electronica.
It really depends on what Music rugyboogie listens to mostly, where his Musical Focus lies.

When he was at my place, he didnt listen very loud. My secretary in front of my room wasnt annoyed.

Tang

 

[marty]

When he was at my place, he didnt listen very loud. My secretary in front of my room wasnt annoyed.

Tang

Hmmm, that's not the way I remember it when he visited me!

 

[Tango]

Hmmm, that's not the way I remember it when he visited me!

Funny video.

I think MikeL has 11 on his volume knob too.

Kind regards,
Tang

 

[bonzo75]

On horns, it is easy to listen loud without listening loud. At Tang's, or when I listen to the universum, I can listen six hours without pressure on the ear.

Power is not required to only play orchestral at loud levels. Current, power, is required for drive and headroom, which manifests also in rise and fall of notes, in the quieter passages of orchestra. This is easily doable in horns with low output valve amps. There is also a difference between macro dynamic slams and dynamic range.