Apogee Full range

[bonzo75]

I think my system is decided, if I get a flat wall in my next room. Analysis Audio firing down, Lampi, TT with Koetsu cart going into Spectrals. I will compare that to Ortofon A90, and hybrid amps. If things go well financially, a few years later, add WE 16A on the long wall with 6w 300b amps.

If Jon can get me the Apogee FR mids into your interstellas, that will probably be the choice.

 

[Jazzhead]

Any MRP list available on the Analysis Audio speakers ?

 

[bonzo75]

In the US the omega is 29k and amphitryon 32k. These are the stocks modded with high grade crossovers that cost almost 10k.

They won't fit your room, though

 

[Zero000]

If Jon can get me the Apogee FR mids into your interstellas, that will probably be the choice.

I've done some work on the mid range between 3-4K since you last heard them. Less forward now which is more balanced. The TJ 2A3s appear to have a fantastically lucid mid range too, and combined with the Accuphase M-60s, it all adds up...

 

[bonzo75]

I've done some work on the mid range between 3-4K since you last heard them. Less forward now which is more balanced. The TJ 2A3s appear to have a fantastically lucid mid range too, and combined with the Accuphase M-60s, it all adds up...

Cool. At a later date will want to listen to 242s in them. Pity that your Lampi operates at 20% of potential

 

[Zero000]

Cool. At a later date will want to listen to 242s in them. Pity that your Lampi operates at 20% of potential

Oh c'mon. 10% surely. Way too kind.

 

[Ron Resnick]

I think my system is decided, if I get a flat wall in my next room. Analysis Audio firing down, Lampi, TT with Koetsu cart going into Spectrals. I will compare that to Ortofon A90, and hybrid amps. . . .

That is great progress, bonzo75!

Which Koetsu do you have in mind?

 

[bonzo75]

That is great progress, bonzo75!

Which Koetsu do you have in mind?

Coral stone. I heard the blue lace, melted, did some research. Blue lace is too expensive, but coral stone can be a decent stab, and apparently is quite close, and especially since I listen much less daily, it will last me for a few years

 

[Zero000]

Kedar, in all honesty you should have bought the Omega's from Peter the first time I told you to go and listen to them. Would have saved the Verity Audio escapade!

I don't mind the Koetsu's. Could do a damn site worse. Assuming you Mook it properly

 

[bonzo75]

The Veritys were actually pretty good. I am not patient enough to see something true. I should have added subs. And then TT. I also wanted to try and get away from on axis listening as required by planars.

Peter actually has it right. TT, NATs, AA.

Also I need to check if my choice is reinforced a few months after liking them, to eliminate the possibility of buying on knee jerk emotion.

 

[Ron Resnick]

. . . Peter actually has it right. TT, NATs, AA. . . .

I think that is a great combination. (Even better if you add cone subwoofer towers.)

 

[spiritofmusic]

Going up to Peter to listen to his rig soon. He's adamant the NEW sE2se's using the GM70s (not my GE 211's) drive the Omegas just fine, and doesn't concur the Transmitters are needed, going so far as to say the more powerful amp can be a tad hard. He says he wants for nothing re 60W SE2SE's into the Omegas. In his size of room. At his favoured vol levels of mid 70's dB.

 

[Argonaut]

At his favoured vol levels of mid 70's dB.

A most precient caviat Marc.

 

[spiritofmusic]

You mean too low to make a reasonable assessment how 60W amps can drive mid 80's eff spkrs at Real World levels w/out clipping? If I read you right. I suspect I don't listen louder than mid 80s very often.

 

[Argonaut]

You mean too low to make a reasonable assessment how 60W amps can drive mid 80's eff spkrs at Real World levels w/out clipping? If I read you right. I suspect I don't listen louder than mid 80s very often.

Exactly Marc, not being sensible to your personal dB predilection, by way of comparison the CLX's (Nominal 6 plunging to 0.3) sucked 146 watts out of my previous amplifier on peak transients up to 96dB, way too close to the Red Line for comfort.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Harl, prob not an accurate comparison to the Graz Duettas. I believe they're late 80s db/1m eff, higher at 3-4m (real world listening distance), also made easier by the whole panel contributing. Critically I don't think the bass panel drops below 4 Ohms. I stand to be corrected if necc.
This all makes the Graz Duettas more of a practical load than ML stats (I hear the Neoliths are esp difficult dropping under 1 Ohm when stressed LOL)

 

[Argonaut]

Interesting Marc, should that 4 Ohm @ rock bottom, or close to, pan out under real world loading then your NAT's are in with a good chance, esp if you are planning long term around the treble panel only.

Yes, As I understand it the Neolith's are quite a mouthful to swallow!

 

[spiritofmusic]

Ah well, that IS the q, Roger. The Graz Duettas are more SET-friendly than might be the case, but still some debate if "more friendly", is "friendly enough". No rush on this, just need to hear them next. If I get taken by their spell, I'll have some serious research/decisions to make.

 

[Lissnr]

Tube Power for Ap's

Hello gentlemen... I've been following your journey, Spiritofmusic, with much interest and am living vicariously through this exciting time for you! As for the new style Duettas by Graz...if they indeed parallel my True Sound Works' Ultimates then I'm pretty convinced the 87db/4ohm figures are legitimate. Room size vs power being the obvious final arbiter here. If it's any guide at all, my room is 13'x17.5'x8' and I power mine with tubed monoblocs (TRL GT 200's) running 4 @ KT 150's per channel that are very conservatively rated in excess of 200WPC... I can safely say they are not lacking for power in any way, shape or form, even with explosive dynamic crescendos at uncomfortably loud volume levels.

Will 60 WPC handle them in a similar size room? I suspect at the 70-80 db range they will be competent performers that will likely sound exquisite with those amps...My gut tells me they would very much appreciate the higher wattage though if you want to wade through higher SPL's or frequently favor especially dynamic material at more intense levels. Sorry for stating what's probably obvious, but I just wanted to encourage you to go listen and let us know! Good luck! PS, I'm in New York.... Happy Lissn'n

 

[Zero000]

Another approach is to "tube/valve up" the front end with valve DAC and pre, with some SS power amp grunt. I've done that with a lot of different SS and class D amps and it does work well. However, with the Accuphase M-60s it works seriously well. I'm unsure why they are so good but they are considerably ahead of any other SS or class D option tried. And they are 40 goddam years old