Audio Note vs. Aries Cerat vs. darTZeel

I do agree about pricing. Audio Note UK - like a lot of high end manufacturers - keep ramping up their prices year after year. As a fan, it’s pretty demoralizing. But then the question of value just becomes, is there anything else at the price that sounds as good or does what you’re after?

Dunc
Prices are certainly crazy.

I find it a great opportunity for smaller companies who are passionate about hifi- and not being part of the ego-race to have the highest prices (we saw what happened to DartZeel and how that worked out) to blossom and find new buyers.

THAT is the part of hifi that excites me most - finding the exceptional smaller companies that are reasonably priced. And from what I'm seeing they are definitely out there.

They are out there, and need to have a light cast on them to help them grow.
 
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Agreed! EVERY high end dealer and manufacturer should be extremely worried about what happened with DarTZeel. This will not be the only company to enter financial distress. Dealers can be more to blame than the manufacturer. Why is no one talking about how the US dealer for DarTZeel was gouging customers and over-charging? If you compared the MSRP in Swiss Francs to the US price, it was ridiculous - about 35% higher than what it should be!
Most customers are smart enough to see that, and it definitely impacted DarTZeel sales in the US.

I do not think dealers and distributors deserve ~50% of the MSRP, especially for high high components. Real estate agents get only 2%, or less, on luxury home sales, which is 3X less than the average. Why is 50% of a $50k component going to the dealer/distributor? It doesn’t make any sense. It hurts the customer and it hurts the manufacturer. Until this practice changes, we will see more of what happened with DarTZeel.
 
Agreed! EVERY high end dealer and manufacturer should be extremely worried about what happened with DarTZeel. This will not be the only company to enter financial distress. Dealers can be more to blame than the manufacturer. Why is no one talking about how the US dealer for DarTZeel was gouging customers and over-charging? If you compared the MSRP in Swiss Francs to the US price, it was ridiculous - about 35% higher than what it should be!
Most customers are smart enough to see that, and it definitely impacted DarTZeel sales in the US.

I do not think dealers and distributors deserve ~50% of the MSRP, especially for high high components. Real estate agents get only 2%, or less, on luxury home sales, which is 3X less than the average. Why is 50% of a $50k component going to the dealer/distributor? It doesn’t make any sense. It hurts the customer and it hurts the manufacturer. Until this practice changes, we will see more of what happened with DarTZeel.
I know you are extremely emotionally impacted by the DartZeel failure.

I do feel genuine empathy for you that the money you recently spent on their gear is now virtually worthless.

But to state that because real estate agents make 3% (it was almost never 2% in the US) on purchases of $500,00K, $1 million or more, when those agents have ZERO of the expenses of a high end retailer has shows a complete lack of business 101.

I also know how much communication was between Dartzeel and the US distributor in regards to "over pricing" and the impending failure, do you?

How about the forums own professional Dartzeel shill trying to dump his product when he KNEW what was coming? Where was his responsibility in warning people on this forum rather than trying to dump his gear? In the stock world that's called insider trading and lands you in federal prison.

I feel for you, but your posts are showing an emotional overload and strain you seem to be feeling of Dartzeel.

You need to take a step back and take breath. You'll survive this.

Again, I really do have empathy for your situation and that of many others impacted by the people who KNEW this was coming and tried to take advantage of people one last time.
 
Why are you attacking me with your BS condescending remarks, @Synaxis? Especially since I was agreeing with your last post?! WTF?

Thanks for being so genuinely worried about me. You can put your mind at ease, as I’ll be just fine. I have the new Nagra REFERENCE monoblocs and preamp incoming. The DarTZeel 18NS and 108 will be in storage and will be used in a lake house media room, or sold in the future - for the same or more than what I paid. I obvisouly do not need to sell and haven’t been impacted one bit. My concern is for the industry as a whole.

And thanks for helping me add to my Ignore list. Any help I can get to cull the valueless comments on forums is much appreciated.
Wasting time reading your posts is not something I will do again.

BTW - I just had a good laugh comparing your Note (“I do I NOT sell or promote any brand…”) with the YouTube link just above it, where you clearly are profiting from promoting brands. Absolutely zero shame. That was good.
 
Why are you attacking me with your BS condescending remarks, @Synaxis? Especially since I was agreeing with your last post?! WTF?

Thanks for being so genuinely worried about me. You can put your mind at ease, as I’ll be just fine. I have the new Nagra REFERENCE monoblocs and preamp incoming. The DarTZeel 18NS and 108 will be in storage and will be used in a lake house media room, or sold in the future - for the same or more than what I paid. I obvisouly do not need to sell and haven’t been impacted one bit. My concern is for the industry as a whole.

And thanks for helping me add to my Ignore list. Any help I can get to cull the valueless comments on forums is much appreciated.
Wasting time reading your posts is not something I will do again.

I'm sorry you are so sensitive about this issue that you are unable to have a conversation about it and adding you-know-who to your list of people who should be held accountable when he tried to dump his gear.

Shouldn't shills who knowingly try and take advantage of people held accountable?
 
Worthless? Comments like this reveal you to be a troll.

Ah yes.....you didn't like my comment so I'm a troll. LOL

Clearly we've already seen it to be true because the forum Dartzeel shill was mad he was only getting low ball offers on his gear.

You should spend your time focused on the those who lied to you rather than those stating the obvious.

Funny no one has a problem with his role in this. Because that would just be too logical.
 
Hahahahaha. A “market trend” is one person??
What is the value you are providing by illustrating this trend?
I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that you sell the products that this trend making client of yours has purchased?
Come on, man. Learn to quit before you dig yourself into a hole you cannot get out of.

And I love the dismissive: ‘my clients don’t participate in forums like this’. Oh yeah? I suppose we are not smart enough? to buy mediocre horns.
It seems there may be a misunderstanding, and I apologize if any of my comments have caused offense. My intention is to share factual information and personal experience. My client opted to move away from Dartzeel primarily because he preferred the sound of another manufacturer. Additionally, he no longer has confidence in Dartzeel, which led to his decision to switch. These statements are based on facts, not a personal agenda.

Furthermore, my clients are non-English-speaking businessmen who likely do not have the time to engage in this forum. I have not made any sales through this platform. I take pleasure in sharing my experiences with audio gear on this forum, both as an enthusiast and a dealer. My involvement is driven by passion rather than financial necessity, as I also manage other businesses.
 
Clients rarely pay the full retail price, as discounts are typically offered and expected. A reasonable dealer will often agree to lower prices. If you're not experiencing this, it may be a matter of dealing with the right individuals. It's important to note that the responsibility doesn't solely lie with the dealer when manufacturers continually increase prices unreasonably each year, as this creates a challenging situation for everyone involved.
 
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Clients rarely pay the full retail price, as discounts are typically offered and expected. A reasonable dealer will often agree to lower prices. If you're not experiencing this, it may be a matter of dealing with the right individuals. It's important to note that the responsibility doesn't solely lie with the dealer when manufacturers continually increase prices unreasonably each year, as this creates a challenging situation for everyone involved.
Understood, it was a misunderstanding. I can understand why the confidence in DarTZeel has been eroded. Hervé would do well to communicate more, especially at this time. Proper PR can be make or break during corporate instability. Once the dust settles I believe the “OG” DarTZeel will hold their value well, especially since it doesn’t seem like he intends to replace the separates with anything at the same level.

Discounts are definitely expected and the norm; my issue is with dealers/distributors who inflate the list price, to then offer a “discount”. The US DarTZeel dealer has been doing this for years. It’s not right, and it should be addressed.
 
I think your right but wrong. Did you tell us who this big time influencer is. I don't think you did, and it doesn’t really matter, but I bet said person is posting and looking to have their content generated them income. And if that means being paid to put guest on, so be it.

And I really don't care how you get paid. Pumping a product for money on your channel. I don't see it as dishonest. Like others have said. There are stars out there every day on TV saying I love Pepsi. I love Nike. So what. I doubt any of them care about the product.

A YouTube story, article iin a mag, they are only a singular data point. When I get interested in something, I look all over. Call me jaded. I really put no stock into who is telling me what, publicly. Not unless I know them personally. Like I listen to Ralph. I listen to Aleainbow. When these people post publicly, I give their content more weight.

When I talk to people privatly with whom I have a personal relationship, I give it a lot of weight. If they were to lie to my face because they were a brand ambasitor, I would be upset.

An online influencers opinion. Who cares. I know they are there earning a living. Even Fremer. His online stuff. I give it no weight. When I call him in person and ask about a phono stage, I give that a lot of weight. I bought what he confirmed was a high value, solid perdormer and fit my budget.
Hi Kingrex - I have been a forumer for over 2 decades and a reviewer since 2008. I have attended shows and I am an amiable chatty guy. I have heard a number of stories from other reviewers, dealers and manufacturers over the years about other reviewers. One is that a reviewer who loved a brand always raved - but when it came time to get his "reviewer discount" he was unhappy with the number. He went to another brand who "played ball" and now raves about them. He currently works for a big US print audio magazine if you ask me who I won't say because as much as I trust the source it's still hearsay.

The thing I often see on forums is anecdotal stories. This is fine - I bought a Toyota Corolla and it was one of the least reliable cars I ever owned. Odd since they were ranked like the top 3 for reliability. Oh, but did I mention it was 10 years old and I didn't get an independent mechanic to look at it first? See this second sentence makes a big difference.

I have been on several forums where a dealer likes to crap on a brand they don't sell. That's nothing new - one of my very first times in a boutique audio store they asked me what I owned and said - oh that's all junk - have a listen to our X and our Y speakers. I played the CD that sounded quite fine on my system and sounded absolutely AWFUL on these two speakers (which were in dedicated rooms professionally set up no less). Then the dealer back peddling starts - "Well that disc is a terrible recording" so he proceeded to put on the frou frou audiophile boring ass music extolling their virtues.

Good dealers (few and far between) know that the customer bought his system and "liked it" so while it is the furthest thing from his own personal taste he does not try and hard sell his taste to the customer.

A good dealer - like Terry Crabbe(RIp) of Soundhounds in Victoria BC, Canada, carried "everything" as he often brought in brands he didn't carry just to let him and his customers hear what the fuss was about. He carried several popular lines not because he liked them but because they sold well and kept his store in business.

When they brought in Magnepan - his top sales guy walked by me and said "yes these are the worst sounding speakers we have sold in 40 years" - "Why do you sell them I asked" - "People want them." They sell well and they have huge margins for the dealer.

Is it honest to sell a brand you don't care for? Sure because as Terry noted 90% of the customers who come in feel that audio dealers are no different than used car dealers - they are presold based on reviews, forums, looks or price. 30-minute audition (maybe) and it sounds somewhat like the band - here's my credit card. If you don't sell it - the guy down the road will.

The point is - when you carry practically everything - you don't have to hard sell people on any of it. Let them listen and decide - if they like Magnepan - great - they sold the person what THEY LIKED. If the person likes Harbeth or DeVore or KEF etc - great - they bought what THEY LIKED.

The minority of customers tended to audition more and would explore the "pet brands" that Terry, his sales staff, and the repair techs all liked and bought for themselves and used in their own homes. I remember setting up my audition with them - please set up B&W, Reference 3A and Paradigm - and I was smart enough to say - "And a model you guys like." That was the speaker that easily won on all music on every parameter. And it was the second least expensive of the four to my considerable surprise.

But they would have been happy if I chose any of the others.

6Moons is an online magazine that takes payment for doing reviews. I don't have a big problem with that because they state that upfront and explain why they need to do it. Print magazines live on advertising. Without it, there is no magazine.

There is no "honesty test" - a Youtuber can be completely honest who charges to do a review and a paid print magazine reviewer can be completely dishonest without a financial gain - no different than teachers, cops, and even maybe some lawyers :p

Lastly, the anecdotal stories that "a customer traded in his x for y" so y is obviously better also doesn't hold water no matter who says it. A guy traded in his Sugden for a Musical Fidelity - I auditioned the unit he traded in and liked it far FAR more than the amp he bought - I left with the Sugden. He's not wrong - there are things the MF clearly did better but I personally didn't value those things - he obviously did. Moreover, I auditioned the two amps in a different room with different speakers - it is ENTIRELY possible that I would like the MF better on other speakers.

I live in HK an audiophile mecca where 40% of all the world's luxury goods are sold - 40% in one city. I see a TON of Accuphase, Luxman, Audio Note UK, Shindo, Constellation, Aries Cerat, ARC. NAT, Kronzolla, Cary Audio, Harbeth, Electrocompaniet, Magnepan, Magico, Wilson Audio, B&W, Burmester, Kondo, Vivid Audio Giya, Boulder, Esoteric etc etc - littering the used consignment market. There are stores here dedicated entirely to selling used consignment goods - the store takes 10% of what you want to sell - so you go in and give them your X amplifier and put a price on it - they take 10% - not too bad eh? The point is that the customers of each of those brands "moved on" to something they "liked better." So whenever a dealer says "I had a customer who traded in his X for my Y" well The dealer of X probably took in your Y for his X.


Point is I have
 
Agreed! EVERY high end dealer and manufacturer should be extremely worried about what happened with DarTZeel. This will not be the only company to enter financial distress. Dealers can be more to blame than the manufacturer. Why is no one talking about how the US dealer for DarTZeel was gouging customers and over-charging? If you compared the MSRP in Swiss Francs to the US price, it was ridiculous - about 35% higher than what it should be!
Most customers are smart enough to see that, and it definitely impacted DarTZeel sales in the US.

I do not think dealers and distributors deserve ~50% of the MSRP, especially for high high components. Real estate agents get only 2%, or less, on luxury home sales, which is 3X less than the average. Why is 50% of a $50k component going to the dealer/distributor? It doesn’t make any sense. It hurts the customer and it hurts the manufacturer. Until this practice changes, we will see more of what happened with DarTZeel.
When AF1 was launched , If I remember correctly, MSRP USD65K but selling for USSD98K in USA.. Catridges MSRP in USA is even worse. I barely lose any money selling used catridges in USA through audiogon
 
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Wow what a disaster of a thread. This is the stuff that kills forums. Mods, how about deleting all the off-topic bullshit toddler tantrum posts?

Aaaanyway, the Meishu Tonmeister doesn’t sound at all like the stereotypical 300B. It doesn’t sound remotely “woolly, nebulous, or lacking in drive”. It doesn’t sound especially “dark” or “brooding”. It sounds HUGE, open, fast, dynamic, intense - when the music demands it.

I have to imagine speaker matching is vital though, for reasons mentioned - though I suspect impedance is more important than sensitivity (other than for volume). Audio Note is the obvious speaker choice, because matching is taken care of for you - but no doubt the Tonmeister sounds amazing with plenty other tube-friendly speakers. Not a gamble I’d take if you’re uncertain about the matching though!

I do agree about pricing. Audio Note UK - like a lot of high end manufacturers - keep ramping up their prices year after year. As a fan, it’s pretty demoralizing. But then the question of value just becomes, is there anything else at the price that sounds as good or does what you’re after?

Dunc

The old saying "charge what the market will bear" is alive and well. Why sell 220 Meishu Tonmeisters for $10k if you can sell 200 for $20k? The reality is even at $20k they can't keep up with their order book. And hell this is What's Best forum where people spend more on power cords.

There are reasons why AN UK is hugely successful:
1) they keep the models in the lineup for 30+ years which enhances resale value - I recently saw an Audio Note OTO Phono SE posted for sale online for $3100 USD - I paid $1850 CAD ($1350US) new for it in 2003. Inflation aside that's good - if I had bought say an Arcam for $1350 (assuming it still worked) I'd be lucky to get $200 for it (inflation aside there too).

2) There is an upgrade path. Most dealers carry brands that don't have many products or anything to upgrade to. You sell your Cambridge Audio or Arcam and that's great - you'll likely never see that customer again. But even top-tier brands may sell 2 amplifiers and if they bought one they too may never come back. With AN UK - you have their levels and steps and they often keep track of what their customers want so they can phone you when they know you are looking for a particular amp or speaker because another customer is upgrading. A customer loves his Meishu Tonmeister and decides he wants the Konzertmeister - but he needs to sell his Tonmeister - the dealer is highly motivated to help sell that Tonmeister so calls you up and you get a great deal, the dealer makes a big sale and the new owner is happy. That CAN be done with other brands too but if the customer takes a massive hit on the resale value they won't be too happy. The dealer here in HK has been selling AN UK since the beginning. They have had repeat customers for decades. It's probably why they stay in business where so many others went belly-up.

3) They sell products most people can afford too. Thus, you have a much wider customer base in case one segment dries up.

4) Making your parts tends to help if there are supply chain issues. You don't have to wait for some company to make you a power supply board when you can make your boards - or wait for some other company to paint your cases when you can paint your own etc. Same for tubes - AN UK has over a million tubes in stock. When your Philips CD Pro2LF mechanism breaks in your Opera Consonance Droplet CD player - they don't have any in stock - you will get a cheap replacement transport like a $5 Sanyo - AN UK bought 5000 of them and can supply replacements (and they will NOT supply you if it's not an AN CD Transport. Thus if you have a CD Two/II you are set for life - if you bought a Droplet - you are set until it breaks. Many brands barely have parts through the warranty - there are Mark Levinson amps that are paperweights because they can't be repaired.

Even speakers - there was a fellow on a forum who bought PSB speakers and the cabinet came apart - I guess it wasn't glued properly - it was one model prior but purchased new and came with a 5-year warranty. But it was around 8 years old (2 years or so left on the warranty though). He wound up having to go on forums to complain as the dealer/manufacturer was not going to help him. After much badgering, they replaced his speaker with the new model.

That's fine sort of but what if you liked the version you had more? The Paradigm 100V2 is unanimously preferred over the 100V3 and 100V4. I'd be pretty pissed off to have my 100V2 replaced with a 100V3 when they decided to cheap out and to help make the Signature 8 have a more superior sound to justify it's 4 times price tag.

Lastly if one can't afford the Meishu Tonmeister - just get an OTO - it's the Mazda MX5 Miata of the audio world.
 
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Hi Kingrex - I have been a forumer for over 2 decades and a reviewer since 2008. I have attended shows and I am an amiable chatty guy. I have heard a number of stories from other reviewers, dealers and manufacturers over the years about other reviewers. One is that a reviewer who loved a brand always raved - but when it came time to get his "reviewer discount" he was unhappy with the number. He went to another brand who "played ball" and now raves about them. He currently works for a big US print audio magazine if you ask me who I won't say because as much as I trust the source it's still hearsay.

The thing I often see on forums is anecdotal stories. This is fine - I bought a Toyota Corolla and it was one of the least reliable cars I ever owned. Odd since they were ranked like the top 3 for reliability. Oh, but did I mention it was 10 years old and I didn't get an independent mechanic to look at it first? See this second sentence makes a big difference.

I have been on several forums where a dealer likes to crap on a brand they don't sell. That's nothing new - one of my very first times in a boutique audio store they asked me what I owned and said - oh that's all junk - have a listen to our X and our Y speakers. I played the CD that sounded quite fine on my system and sounded absolutely AWFUL on these two speakers (which were in dedicated rooms professionally set up no less). Then the dealer back peddling starts - "Well that disc is a terrible recording" so he proceeded to put on the frou frou audiophile boring ass music extolling their virtues.

Good dealers (few and far between) know that the customer bought his system and "liked it" so while it is the furthest thing from his own personal taste he does not try and hard sell his taste to the customer.

A good dealer - like Terry Crabbe(RIp) of Soundhounds in Victoria BC, Canada, carried "everything" as he often brought in brands he didn't carry just to let him and his customers hear what the fuss was about. He carried several popular lines not because he liked them but because they sold well and kept his store in business.

When they brought in Magnepan - his top sales guy walked by me and said "yes these are the worst sounding speakers we have sold in 40 years" - "Why do you sell them I asked" - "People want them." They sell well and they have huge margins for the dealer.

Is it honest to sell a brand you don't care for? Sure because as Terry noted 90% of the customers who come in feel that audio dealers are no different than used car dealers - they are presold based on reviews, forums, looks or price. 30-minute audition (maybe) and it sounds somewhat like the band - here's my credit card. If you don't sell it - the guy down the road will.

The point is - when you carry practically everything - you don't have to hard sell people on any of it. Let them listen and decide - if they like Magnepan - great - they sold the person what THEY LIKED. If the person likes Harbeth or DeVore or KEF etc - great - they bought what THEY LIKED.

The minority of customers tended to audition more and would explore the "pet brands" that Terry, his sales staff, and the repair techs all liked and bought for themselves and used in their own homes. I remember setting up my audition with them - please set up B&W, Reference 3A and Paradigm - and I was smart enough to say - "And a model you guys like." That was the speaker that easily won on all music on every parameter. And it was the second least expensive of the four to my considerable surprise.

But they would have been happy if I chose any of the others.

6Moons is an online magazine that takes payment for doing reviews. I don't have a big problem with that because they state that upfront and explain why they need to do it. Print magazines live on advertising. Without it, there is no magazine.

There is no "honesty test" - a Youtuber can be completely honest who charges to do a review and a paid print magazine reviewer can be completely dishonest without a financial gain - no different than teachers, cops, and even maybe some lawyers :p

Lastly, the anecdotal stories that "a customer traded in his x for y" so y is obviously better also doesn't hold water no matter who says it. A guy traded in his Sugden for a Musical Fidelity - I auditioned the unit he traded in and liked it far FAR more than the amp he bought - I left with the Sugden. He's not wrong - there are things the MF clearly did better but I personally didn't value those things - he obviously did. Moreover, I auditioned the two amps in a different room with different speakers - it is ENTIRELY possible that I would like the MF better on other speakers.

I live in HK an audiophile mecca where 40% of all the world's luxury goods are sold - 40% in one city. I see a TON of Accuphase, Luxman, Audio Note UK, Shindo, Constellation, Aries Cerat, ARC. NAT, Kronzolla, Cary Audio, Harbeth, Electrocompaniet, Magnepan, Magico, Wilson Audio, B&W, Burmester, Kondo, Vivid Audio Giya, Boulder, Esoteric etc etc - littering the used consignment market. There are stores here dedicated entirely to selling used consignment goods - the store takes 10% of what you want to sell - so you go in and give them your X amplifier and put a price on it - they take 10% - not too bad eh? The point is that the customers of each of those brands "moved on" to something they "liked better." So whenever a dealer says "I had a customer who traded in his X for my Y" well The dealer of X probably took in your Y for his X.


Point is I have
Nice post, i was waiting for the other shoe to drop, but no Audio Note advertising this time. Thank you ! And you are so right . :) P.S during the writing of my post, you did your whole Audio Note spiel once again, hilarious ! :p
 
Agreed! EVERY high end dealer and manufacturer should be extremely worried about what happened with DarTZeel. This will not be the only company to enter financial distress. Dealers can be more to blame than the manufacturer. Why is no one talking about how the US dealer for DarTZeel was gouging customers and over-charging? If you compared the MSRP in Swiss Francs to the US price, it was ridiculous - about 35% higher than what it should be!
Most customers are smart enough to see that, and it definitely impacted DarTZeel sales in the US.

I do not think dealers and distributors deserve ~50% of the MSRP, especially for high high components. Real estate agents get only 2%, or less, on luxury home sales, which is 3X less than the average. Why is 50% of a $50k component going to the dealer/distributor? It doesn’t make any sense. It hurts the customer and it hurts the manufacturer. Until this practice changes, we will see more of what happened with DarTZeel.
Are there going to be tariffs in the US next year? The prices will increase another 20%-100%+ depending on where the products are made no? So it appears to be getting worse, not better.
 
Are there going to be tariffs in the US next year? The prices will increase another 20%-100%+ depending on where the products are made no? So it appears to be getting worse, not better.

That will *likely* only affect stuff made in China or other countries viewed as dumping goods into the U.S. to the detriment of the U.S. as a whole where they do not allow us equal access to their markets.

*Generally* speaking gear made in Europe will be safe from this.
 
Nice post, i was waiting for the other shoe to drop, but no Audio Note advertising this time. Thank you ! And you are so right . :) P.S during the writing of my post, you did your whole Audio Note spiel once again, hilarious ! :p
I try to only bring them up if I am replying to someone who brought them up. To be fair - this thread title does allow me some room ;)
 
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That will *likely* only affect stuff made in China or other countries viewed as dumping goods into the U.S. to the detriment of the U.S. as a whole where they do not allow us equal access to their markets.

*Generally* speaking gear made in Europe will be safe from this.
That's good to know. You wouldn't happen to know a link or something where we can find what specifically will tariffed - I know the US & Canada both have a 100%+ tariff on Chinese EVs for instance. This makes sense as both countries have invested major tax dollars on EV development and you can't let the Chinese flood the market with BYD cars for like $14,000 even if they are much better than $40,000 Teslas. Indeed, even with a 100% Tariff people are saying they'd still rather the the BYD. Be that as it may, I get why they would not want the competition.

But so much stuff is manufactured in China like Samsung and Apple phones are manufactured in China. They won't be tariffed I presume because they aren't to the "detriment of the US" - I assume by detriment it means that they don't compete with an established American company manufacturing in the US. Thus, if no one is making phones on US soil then a product is safe from a tariff (thus price increase).

I ask because I am Canadian and not as up on this - I remember years back there was a tit-for-tat going on. US put tariffs on Canadian goods so Canada put tariffs on US goods. Both are on the same team with Chinese EV tariffs though.
 
Nice post, i was waiting for the other shoe to drop, but no Audio Note advertising this time. Thank you ! And you are so right . :) P.S during the writing of my post, you did your whole Audio Note spiel once again, hilarious ! :p
I don't know Synaxix, Richard and I are saying much different?
 

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