Audio Note vs. Aries Cerat vs. darTZeel

[TonyW]

I can’t believe I’m seeing posts like these. YouTube videos, just like TV, the movies, magazines and newspapers are entertainment. If you want to glean some tidbits of information from them, you do so at your own risk. I see text books and peer reviewed journals as factual- but even some of the journals lately have been found to have inaccurate information. Most news articles are full of inaccuracies or slanted to the viewpoints of the author. I have yet to see an accurate news article where I had first hand knowledge. Speed over accuracy seems to rule the day.

 

[Synaxis]

I can’t believe I’m seeing posts like these. YouTube videos, just like TV, the movies, magazines and newspapers are entertainment. If you want to glean some tidbits of information from them, you do so at your own risk. I see text books and peer reviewed journals as factual- but even some of the journals lately have been found to have inaccurate information. Most news articles are full of inaccuracies or slanted to the viewpoints of the author. I have yet to see an accurate news article where I had first hand knowledge. Speed over accuracy seems to rule the day.

Posts about what? That the ones who go out of their way to lie to you and have their "awards" bought and paid for are simply being called out?

Being entertainment has nothing to do with being honest nor does it have anything to do with trusting what you see.

No one should make a purchase decision based on ANY REVIEW or video or post on a forum of any kind without hearing for themselves. That's not what this is about. And as we've seen even "peer reviewed" journals are full of bias B.S. (I won't name the one that was made public last week as it is an issue about children that is a political hot topic).

If you're ok with their lies you can ignore them. For those who want to know who is simply bought and paid for when they claim something sounds goods then it's a good data point.

I'm still going to watch their videos and enjoy them as entertainment. I'm just going to laugh knowing that not all of their viewers are as stupid as they think.

 

[Kingrex]

So your statement was factually false and now you are changing what you said. Got it. Thanks for admitting it.

It's ok if you are OK with people misleading you about how they get paid on their channel. It's ok if you are ok with the "pump and dump scheme".

Just admit you are ok with the dishonesty. You have a right to your opinion.

I think your right but wrong. Did you tell us who this big time influencer is. I don't think you did, and it doesn’t really matter, but I bet said person is posting and looking to have their content generated them income. And if that means being paid to put guest on, so be it.

And I really don't care how you get paid. Pumping a product for money on your channel. I don't see it as dishonest. Like others have said. There are stars out there every day on TV saying I love Pepsi. I love Nike. So what. I doubt any of them care about the product.

A YouTube story, article iin a mag, they are only a singular data point. When I get interested in something, I look all over. Call me jaded. I really put no stock into who is telling me what, publicly. Not unless I know them personally. Like I listen to Ralph. I listen to Aleainbow. When these people post publicly, I give their content more weight.

When I talk to people privatly with whom I have a personal relationship, I give it a lot of weight. If they were to lie to my face because they were a brand ambasitor, I would be upset.

An online influencers opinion. Who cares. I know they are there earning a living. Even Fremer. His online stuff. I give it no weight. When I call him in person and ask about a phono stage, I give that a lot of weight. I bought what he confirmed was a high value, solid perdormer and fit my budget.

 

[Synaxis]

I think your right but wrong. Did you tell us who this big time influencer is. I don't think you did, and it doesn’t really matter, but I bet said person is posting and looking to have their content generated them income. And if that means being paid to put guest on, so be it.

And I really don't care how you get paid. Pumping a product for money on your channel. I don't see it as dishonest. Like others have said. There are stars out there every day on TV saying I love Pepsi. I love Nike. So what. I doubt any of them care about the product.

A YouTube story, article iin a mag, they are only a singular data point. When I get interested in something, I look all over. Call me jaded. I really put no stock into who is telling me what, publicly. Not unless I know them personally. Like I listen to Ralph. I listen to Aleainbow. When these people post publicly, I give their content more weight.

When I talk to people privatly with whom I have a personal relationship, I give it a lot of weight. If they were to lie to my face because they were a brand ambasitor, I would be upset.

An online influencers opinion. Who cares. I know they are there earning a living. Even Fremer. His online stuff. I give it no weight. When I call him in person and ask about a phono stage, I give that a lot of weight. I bought what he confirmed was a high value, solid perdormer and fit my budget.

So again, you made a completely false statement before and stated it as fact. You need to own that you don't know what you are talking about "everyone on YouTube". Just be honest.

I think you need to find people in the industry who will share first hand with you what's going on. These are not secrets and almost everyone (who is honest) is talking about it.

You don't know the other ones that are not in this full-time (per their name) who will only cover rooms they are paid to? I believe they only charge $600. Want a better award from them? Just pay a little more. They are more of an online print with some video.

I don't care how people make money. But when they only cover a company or product when paid and then falsely proclaim it "best in show", and ignore everything else, as a data point that's something I want to know. ESPECIALLY when they claim to the contrary.

How many great smaller companies are out there - that are the heart of great hifi but can't / won't pay the pay-for-play model these self proclaimed "looking out for you" YouTube/dealers embrace?

As I stated it doesn't influence what weight I give anything they say - it's simply interesting to know who the really dishonest are among them.

People always whine about "what's wrong with hifi". Then when presented with a glaring issue they are OK with it.

 

[TonyW]

My wife doth lie, but I believe her anyway.
Shakespeare

 

[Phantom-Audio]

I think as a dealer, selling Aries, this statement is a little “rich” and self serving.
One of the reasons I loved my 25 years on the Naim forum - dealers are not allowed to “sell” or “hawk” on the forum.

I'm not attempting to sell or promote any specific manufacturer on this forum, as my target market isn't active here and doesn't participate in discussions. I'm merely pointing out that there's an increase in Dartzeel products appearing in the second-hand market. Additionally, we have a client thats made the switch from Dartzeel to another manufacturer. This observation is neither self-serving nor promotional; it's simply noting a market trend.

 

[Phantom-Audio]

I'm uncertain about the assertion that Dartzeel products will appreciate in value. In the realm of high-end audio, this trend is rare, with a few notable exceptions such as Western Electric, Klangfilm, and Altec.

 

[morricab]

I'm uncertain about the assertion that Dartzeel products will appreciate in value. In the realm of high-end audio, this trend is rare, with a few notable exceptions such as Western Electric, Klangfilm, and Altec.

I will simply predict that they won’t. They will go the way of countless other brands. They don’t have heritage , something special and frankly sound quality to become modern classics.

Name one brand of SS gear that costs more used than new? The stuff that has gone up in value has been old tube amps, which were relatively moderately priced (pre luxury pricing days) by high end standards of today or classic horn systems….often of theater or studio origin.