Best turntable under 50k?

[Tangram]

I’m sure the top Vyger turntables sound great, but I haven’t had the chance to hear them yet.

I don’t agree with your view that buying German products is always logical from a technical and engineering standpoint. Japanese products are generally better built and more reliable. Just compare cars, if you like, or electronic products from the 1970s. A German amp or CD player might already be dead or showing issues due to Frako, Roe, or Philips capacitors, while their Japanese counterparts are often still going strong.

Personally, I would prefer a basic design for turntable with fewer complications—a conventional design over complex ones like TechDAS and Vyger. I believe that too many moving parts and intricate circuits are more likely to fail over time. If I had too much money that’s different story then.

I also like buying from manufacturers that have more than one employee. You just never know when the owner will “pop his clogs” as my British mum says.

 

[Audiohertz2]

Then buy Chinese , employees abound

 

[Audiohertz2]

The vacuum hold down of techdas sonically is nothing compared to Vyger’s. Possibly due to size of pump

How can you tell its the vacuum making the sonic difference between the two ..?

 

[bonzo75]

How can you tell its the vacuum making the sonic difference between the two ..?

Where did I say it is the vacuum making the sonic difference between the two

 

[bonzo75]

I also like buying from manufacturers that have more than one employee. You just never know when the owner will “pop his clogs” as my British mum says.

You mean like audio research, Verity, or not have things repaired for years like Soulution? Tons of complaints on this forum on the “safe” big brands. Not to mention that vdh and Koetsu are big brands

Maybe you should stick to Wilson and SME then. Quite safe in that aspect

 

[Balle Clorin]

Vacuum is a good thing, but a was kind of unimpressed when during auditioning a TechDas AirForce V the vacuum platter could not flatten a record as well as my simple Michell push down clamp…I wonder why, seems like the edge lip maybe was too flexible..

 

[djsina2]

Personally, I would prefer a basic design for turntable with fewer complications—a conventional design over complex ones like TechDAS and Vyger. I believe that too many moving parts and intricate circuits are more likely to fail over time. If I had too much money that’s different story then.

I love that aspect of my Audio Tekne turntable. I don’t know if there’s a simpler or more basic design out there. Clearly all the sophistication and adjustability doesn’t mean higher performance in my experience.

 

[PeterA]

No expert here and defer to Lavigna and Bonzo but i would think you could at least hear (i) belt (ii) Direct and (iii) idler to see what technology resonates. If you narrowed that down it could help. As a summary of all conversations i have had what comes to mind are in no order you would do great with any of the below depending on your taste:

1) Commonwealth or Garrad idler
2) AF3 premium
3) Jsikora Reference
4) Birkmann Balance

I would like to see videos of how these four tables perform with the Sutherland Timeline with a stylus in the groove.

Mr Miyagi, how would you describe the different presentations from these turntables?

 

[DasguteOhr]

What arm and cartridge would you prefer on your Balance? Have you heard Ron’s combination?

Breuer tonearm type 8 with vdh cartridge black beauty or breuer emt. Phantastic sounding

 

[strappoacustico]

Sono sicuro che i migliori giradischi Vyger suonino benissimo, ma non ho ancora avuto modo di ascoltarli.

Non sono d'accordo con la tua opinione che acquistare prodotti tedeschi sia sempre logico da un punto di vista tecnico e ingegneristico. I prodotti giapponesi sono generalmente meglio costruiti e più affidabili. Basta confrontare le auto, se vuoi, o i prodotti elettronici degli anni '70. Un amplificatore o un lettore CD tedesco potrebbero essere già morti o mostrare problemi a causa di condensatori Frako, Roe o Philips, mentre le loro controparti giapponesi sono spesso ancora in piena forma.

Personalmente, preferirei un design di base per giradischi con meno complicazioni, un design convenzionale rispetto a quelli complessi come TechDAS e Vyger. Credo che troppe parti mobili e circuiti intricati abbiano più probabilità di guastarsi nel tempo. Se avessi troppi soldi, allora sarebbe un'altra storia.

.I agree about the build quality and reliability of Japanese products and in fact Techdas is Japanese. Furthermore, the "complications" need to be seen how they are resolved in terms of design and construction and this is what makes the difference in terms of their reliability and ease of use.

Sono sicuro che i migliori giradischi Vyger suonino benissimo, ma non ho ancora avuto modo di ascoltarli.

Non sono d'accordo con la tua opinione che acquistare prodotti tedeschi sia sempre logico da un punto di vista tecnico e ingegneristico. I prodotti giapponesi sono generalmente meglio costruiti e più affidabili. Basta confrontare le auto, se vuoi, o i prodotti elettronici degli anni '70. Un amplificatore o un lettore CD tedesco potrebbero essere già morti o mostrare problemi a causa di condensatori Frako, Roe o Philips, mentre le loro controparti giapponesi sono spesso ancora in piena forma.

Personalmente, preferirei un design di base per giradischi con meno complicazioni, un design convenzionale rispetto a quelli complessi come TechDAS e Vyger. Credo che troppe parti mobili e circuiti intricati abbiano più probabilità di guastarsi nel tempo. Se avessi troppi soldi, allora sarebbe un'altra storia.

 

[PeterA]

Breuer tonearm type 8 with vdh cartridge black beauty or breuer emt. Phantastic sounding

You have a good ear.

 

[DasguteOhr]

You have a good ear.

Thanks,sometimes the ears still work.

For me it belongs to combinations that perform wide above their price tags perfect match like e.g sme 309 & vdh frog copper.

P. S
you get a used balance+ breuer tonearm + emt cartridge under 8k€ it's a bargain.
you just have to be able to wait a little thats all.

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[PeterA]

Thanks,sometimes the ears still work.

For me it belongs to combinations that perform wide above their price tags perfect match like e.g sme 309 & vdh frog copper.

I have not heard vdh cartridges below the Colibrí. An old friend gave me his Colibrí XPP that might be 10-15 years old. I might set it up this weekend to see how it compares to his newer designs. I understand the platinum windings are quite rare.

 

[DasguteOhr]

I have not heard vdh cartridges below the Colibrí. An old friend gave me his Colibrí XPP that might be 10-15 years old. I might set it up this weekend to see how it compares to his newer designs. I understand the platinum windings are quite rare.

With sut not good choice I think it has a very high resistance if I'm not mistaken.
But trying is better than studying. Lamm ist about 400 ohms correct?

 

[Audiohertz2]

Where did I say it is the vacuum making the sonic difference between the two

Where did i say you said that ..!

 

[PeterA]

With its not good choice I think it has a very high resistance if I'm not mistaken.
But trying is better than studying. Lamm is about 400 ohms correct?

Yes, I think the Lamm is 430 ohms. Listening is always best, and it is easy and free.

 

[Argonaut]

You have a good ear.

Have you hands on experience of the Breuer tonearm type 8 and breuer EMT ?

 

[PeterA]

Have you hands on experience of the Breuer tonearm type 8 and breuer EMT ?

No. I have followed dasguteohr's comments and I respect his opinions.

 

[Salectric]

I always consider my La Platine Verdier as a DIYer/enthusiast product. For me it’s like an unfinished turntable requires a lot of experimenting. It’s made from simple easily obtainable parts. That’s a plus but you can never be sure that things don’t go sideways.

Are you using the stock motor and controller with your Platine Verdier? If so you probably know the controller is just a simple voltage regulator and the platter speed can vary depending on thread tightness. Twenty years ago my Galibier table used the same voltage regulator circuit and, as good as the table sounded, it did not have rock solid speed stability. That all changed when Thom Mackris came up with a new design that uses a higher torque motor with a carefully designed servo controller. I believe Thom has fitted his motor/controller on Verdier tables in the past. You might want to contact Thom to discuss this.

 

[Argonaut]

No. I have followed dasguteohr's comments and I respect his opinions.

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