Breaking news from DCS….
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Thanks, Mike. Forget to put on my secret decoder ring this morning! ;-)
Ok on topic i watched the vid .
Seems to me the guy did nothing wrong , DCS acting a bit like a sore loser.
I think i ll stop posting what i think of the APEX SQ , DCS might put me in jail lol
Seems to me the guy did nothing wrong , DCS acting a bit like a sore loser.
I think i ll stop posting what i think of the APEX SQ , DCS might put me in jail lol
I agree with you but probably that ‘independent reviewer’ wouldn’t get another component for review. Some companies never send their products for review because they don’t need advertising. So, they don’t spend on magazine advertisements.
Like me lol .
Never a show no advertizing.
I agree with you , but im sure in the beginning every company needs to do at least shows to get recognized.
Later when they have good sales they can slack off off course.
I m gonna offer my speakers for review and do advertizing/ shows probably next year when i have my other model ready.
Heard the new dcs varese recently with a few friends. Unfortunately, it was on a Wilson Wamm junior xvx, which is a terrible hi-fi concoction and monstrosity - there's your midrange, here's your tweeter, here's your bass, there's your dynamics, here's your singer in London, bass player in Tokyo, guitarist in Memphis, etc... my brain was overwhelmed and hijacked by hifi sounds and noises the Wilson was making, I couldn't really judge the musicality of varese.
Yet, bravely fighting through the Wilson hifiness and bastrardization of the music, in comparison to the Vivaldi apex, the Varese exceeded the Vivaldi on ALL Audiophile parameters. I find this total domination of one product over another very rare in high end audio, as many products are different rather than better.
But not in this case. Overall, Varese was much more organic and less hifi than the Vivaldi. This was true on both good and bad recordings. In comparison, the Varese seemed to banish the recording artifacts the vivaldi was showcasing and was presenting more music.
It took dcs 6 years to develop this. The question is how does it compare to Wadax?
Is anyone curious to listen for themselves and find out? Or are guys going to drop $300K based on someone else's opinion, and follow which ever audio herd they are more comfortable with?
Yet, bravely fighting through the Wilson hifiness and bastrardization of the music, in comparison to the Vivaldi apex, the Varese exceeded the Vivaldi on ALL Audiophile parameters. I find this total domination of one product over another very rare in high end audio, as many products are different rather than better.
But not in this case. Overall, Varese was much more organic and less hifi than the Vivaldi. This was true on both good and bad recordings. In comparison, the Varese seemed to banish the recording artifacts the vivaldi was showcasing and was presenting more music.
It took dcs 6 years to develop this. The question is how does it compare to Wadax?
Is anyone curious to listen for themselves and find out? Or are guys going to drop $300K based on someone else's opinion, and follow which ever audio herd they are more comfortable with?
Hi!
Are you able to elaborate on what you mean by this?
(We know from the dCS website that the dCS philosophy is maximization of resolution and of detail, among other sonic objectives.)
Hi Ron,
Happy Thanksgiving! So grateful to Western Civilization and free market capitalism to be discussing $300K, cutting edge digital processing!
My thought and understanding is that dCS are true believers in capturing the digital signal with as much accuracy as their engineers are capable of. "Maximizing resolution and detail" you refer to, are just by-products of that philosophy and approach.
So yes, the resolution and details are definitely better in the Varese. But Varese also has a much, much, much, much lower noise floor, blacker backgrounds, more dynamics, more separation of instruments, better soundstage width and depth, more air around instruments and instrument images "shooting energy of music" at the listeners, etc., etc. In other words, it's better at all the audiophile vocabulary. Overall, it's a much more organic sound.
I would not recommend Vivaldi Apex owners listening to this DAC. However, one needs to be paying attention; if it's background music, the extra expense is not worth it, IMO.
The individual you refer to is Angie Lissi. Angie is a good friend whom I have known for nearly 25 years. Few retailers or distributors have enjoyed this longevity or are as passionate about high-end sound. I'm going to ask Angie to consider contributing to these pages. The sheer amount of high-end gear that has passed through her hands would add to our discussion—besides, not many women on these pages!
Elliot G.
Industry Expert
As usual Caesar is like the audio version of the view. He has some part of the truth and then makes up all the rest to make a story that is totally rumor, innuendo and nonsense.
Manufactures don’t give 300 k worth of stuff to every reviewer possible . One of my issues is they all operate out of their own bubble. Harley has his, Fremer has his, Valin has his etc. etc.
Why not ask why the reviewers don’t share stuff they like? Why would any company give their product is a second reviewer at a magazine they already got a review from and in this case products of the year etc.
Who sells what and why are another (dealers) kettle of fish which is based on a lot of factors that have little to do with your novelette .
Hi Elliot,
What's up with the name calling and personal comments? Having a crappy Thanksgiving? Your speaker not selling well? Powerful bandwagon effects behind dcs that will drown of Wadax's claims of being the "best digital" and choke off whatever sales they have? I trust my sources and stand behind my post. Since you are such a know-it-all expert, why don't you share your story? As the gentlemen above said, he will invite the lady to the forum and people can possibly find out the truth behind what really happened and judge who is correct.
Elliot G.
Industry Expert
Thanksgiving thanks for asking, mine was great, so was the weather and the golf course was perfect yesterday and today.
I’m sorry that not believing your BS insults you but don’t let your feelings ever get in the way of facts.
Happy Holidays
I’ve just come home after a long drive back from Hifi Lounge who demonstrated the varese system with big Wilson speakers and small dagostino amps today. All cables are transparent top line.
It’s tired for a 7h round trip on the road plus a few more hours at the shop to experience first hand how the new flagship from dcs sounds, but it’s worth the travel.
The only thing I am not totally satisfied is they didn’t compare the vivaldi with varese, so I have no clue how much better the varese sounds.
But the dcs signature sound can be easily recognised, particularly well reflected in different tracks with different recording quality.
Aesthetically speaking, the varese looks stunning in real life, however I don’t think vivaldi is falling behind at all.
It’s curious to understand whether it’s worth the money going up the ladder in this case but I have to say I did have a goosebump once when Hallelujah track was played.
The varese is amazing with vocal and midrange while bass is super fast and punchy with the right tracks. Some poor recordings were revealed straightaway with bloating and boomy bass without mercy.
The demonstration used all downloaded files for playback but in the end, an old audiophile asked for a song streamed directly via qobuz so I could hear how much the sound deteriorated compared to the local file.
The shop was super busy with 3 listening sessions but I managed to have a chat with David for awhile. It’s great to understand that dcs is preparing to trickle down in near future and potentially v/r/b will be able to work with varese boxes. Very promising indeed!
A few pictures that I took today and a final thing to note that the xvx speakers have never sounded that good even being driven by small dagostino amps. In Munich they used mega amps but, I know due to show conditions, the sound fell apart.
The new watt puppy sounds really impressive too with gorgeous burgundy finish, being driven by constellation amps and fed by dcs rosini player + clock.
It’s tired for a 7h round trip on the road plus a few more hours at the shop to experience first hand how the new flagship from dcs sounds, but it’s worth the travel.
The only thing I am not totally satisfied is they didn’t compare the vivaldi with varese, so I have no clue how much better the varese sounds.
But the dcs signature sound can be easily recognised, particularly well reflected in different tracks with different recording quality.
Aesthetically speaking, the varese looks stunning in real life, however I don’t think vivaldi is falling behind at all.
It’s curious to understand whether it’s worth the money going up the ladder in this case but I have to say I did have a goosebump once when Hallelujah track was played.
The varese is amazing with vocal and midrange while bass is super fast and punchy with the right tracks. Some poor recordings were revealed straightaway with bloating and boomy bass without mercy.
The demonstration used all downloaded files for playback but in the end, an old audiophile asked for a song streamed directly via qobuz so I could hear how much the sound deteriorated compared to the local file.
The shop was super busy with 3 listening sessions but I managed to have a chat with David for awhile. It’s great to understand that dcs is preparing to trickle down in near future and potentially v/r/b will be able to work with varese boxes. Very promising indeed!
A few pictures that I took today and a final thing to note that the xvx speakers have never sounded that good even being driven by small dagostino amps. In Munich they used mega amps but, I know due to show conditions, the sound fell apart.
The new watt puppy sounds really impressive too with gorgeous burgundy finish, being driven by constellation amps and fed by dcs rosini player + clock.
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