Burmester 911 mk3
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Thanks, Alexandre - i will try to do that next time...they do also have Magicos. As for the setup i was listening to, they were using TA Ref cabling...so not ideal like with the Zeel connection. As for 402e, i hear you.
i have respect for that amp...but its not for me. i'd take midpowered tubes and not have musularity because it is the nuances and detail and midrange that i love most...muscularity i can get my kicks from a big powerful sub even though it is not the same as having true limitless sound full range.
I also managed to spend a couple of days with the Colosseum here - and the same speaker:
http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?4197-Genesis-G2Jr-Premieres-in-Europe-Oct-8-9
I thought then that the Colosseum was also one of the best amplifiers in the world. More nimble than the 911, slightly stronger, but not as warm.
FM Acoustics, another "best amplifier in the world" was fast and detailed and resolute - again with the same speaker.
Unfortunately, there is no perfect amplifier. At least with amps we get to be "serially monogamous". Can't do that with wives or girlfriends
Happy Holidays, folks!
Thanks, Gary! I remember that post, and enjoyed re-reading it...and always respect your opinion!
MUCH easier to drive. I had a Q3 in my room until a couple of weeks ago, and I never got the 108's "eyes" to blink, not even once. The Q7 is an even easier load.
alexandre
Best and again..
Thanks for this enlightening post: I have arrived at amps, even though cheaper (I can't believe I am saying this, seeing its price for 30W..), I consider them best:
My Berning ZH270 has been followed by the ZH230, a best.
For the last year I have used a best Audio Consulting MIPA - just to be recently stunned when using better batteries, how much there is still to improve. Still: this is probably on a par with the best.
Both of these amps in fact are light and lively, just how I like it!
I also managed to spend a couple of days with the Colosseum here - and the same speaker:
http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?4197-Genesis-G2Jr-Premieres-in-Europe-Oct-8-9
I thought then that the Colosseum was also one of the best amplifiers in the world. More nimble than the 911, slightly stronger, but not as warm.
FM Acoustics, another "best amplifier in the world" was fast and detailed and resolute - again with the same speaker.
Unfortunately, there is no perfect amplifier. At least with amps we get to be "serially monogamous". Can't do that with wives or girlfriends
Happy Holidays, folks!
Thanks for this enlightening post: I have arrived at amps, even though cheaper (I can't believe I am saying this, seeing its price for 30W..), I consider them best:
My Berning ZH270 has been followed by the ZH230, a best.
For the last year I have used a best Audio Consulting MIPA - just to be recently stunned when using better batteries, how much there is still to improve. Still: this is probably on a par with the best.
Both of these amps in fact are light and lively, just how I like it!
lloyd,
Then I don't get you
If it's nuance, detail and midrange "magic" you want, darTZeel has that in spades, more so than any other amp I've heard, including tubes!
TA Ref cabling is quite good, and very compatible with the 108. The power cord is one of the best I've used with it, actually.
With all that said, I do realise that the darTZeel is not for everyone (or every speaker). People hear differently, and what might sound "right" for one, might be lacking for others.
alexandre
Then I don't get you
If it's nuance, detail and midrange "magic" you want, darTZeel has that in spades, more so than any other amp I've heard, including tubes!TA Ref cabling is quite good, and very compatible with the 108. The power cord is one of the best I've used with it, actually.
With all that said, I do realise that the darTZeel is not for everyone (or every speaker). People hear differently, and what might sound "right" for one, might be lacking for others.
alexandre
lloyd,
Then I don't get you
TA Ref cabling is quite good, and very compatible with the 108. The power cord is one of the best I've used with it, actually.
With all that said, I do realise that the darTZeel is not for everyone (or every speaker). People hear differently, and what might sound "right" for one, might be lacking for others.
alexandre
Alexandre - good to know on TA compatibility with 108, particularly power cord...i think they were using TA PC...would have to double check but they often do. As for midrange magic and nuance/detail...i agree that the DTZL is very very dextrous, and thus you do feel the nuances and detail...it also has a very low noise floor...i can see why so many people are enamoured with it. Enjoy!
Interesting...i was just with the distributor of Wilson (who also distributes DTZL and Magico)...and they said in their experience the Magicos are very difficult to drive well, and that included the Q7 as i had specifically asked about it since they were at my place doing some work. He said it had some very very difficult impedance loads and thus found (like the Magico Minis, and most of the other Magico models) the Q7 need serious heavy-weight power to be driven well.
I'm asking as I heard the Q5 with the 108 at my dealers shop, and got the impression (confirmed by the dealer) that the darTZeel didn't have the current to drive them properly. I also had this very problem with my Sashas - at least to some extent - which made me sell the amp eventually. Maxx 3 on the other hand are no problem for darTZeel (I have two friends running this very setup), so I guess Q3 and Q7 may be similar.
the local distributor here for Wilson, Magico, DTZL was just here doing some work, and i specifically inquired about the Q7 having heard the Q3 and Q5...his opinion was they are all highy demanding of serious high-current power to be driven optimally. The local dealer owner asked why given the efficiency, but the Distributor went thru the impedance loads at certain frequencies and said that this was a characteristic that would demand serious heavy weight amplification.
1991 = 91 in short, January = 1, add this together and you have 91 + 1 = 911.
All burmester products are coded like this.
While I'll agree that something more powerful would be better, like 2 108s, my 108 did quite well with the Q7 when I took it to the dealer's. I think I saw the eyes blink only once or twice throughout the (long) session. As a matter of fact, the 108 was considerably better than the Soulution 7xx monoblocks that the dealer had there, that cost about the same as the 458 monos.
The Q7 is much easier to drive than the Q5, AND can be bi-amped. The Q5 OTOH can't. The Q3 can't either, but, as I said earlier, it works wonderfully with a single 108.
Elberoth, I haven't heard the darTZeels with the Sasha, but a local guy here is shopping for speakers, after he realised how bad the Sashas are with the 108 (or vice-versa). He's probably getting an S5 or a Q3.
alexandre
alexandre
Elberoth,
The DartZeel NH108B also has no problems driving the Alexandria X2 to very loud sound levels - and the version with the SCNP chip can deliver more current than the older versions.
Which amplifier are you currently using?
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