Well, they say that good things come to those who wait and I have certainly waited for this! Ordered on 3rd March and delivered yesterday, hence the long hiatus in my little project. Unfortunately I will be traveling next week and won't have time to mount it before I leave, but I have something to look forward to on my return!
Nicely packaged is my first impression. No rubber underpants in mine (see the conclusion of Mikey's review) but a pair of fairly industrial looking rubber gloves..
I ordered mine in silver to match my 1200G which may have contributed to the waiting time. However I didn't pay any extra so I take it that silver is (or at least was) considered "standard".
There are very successful vinyl playback systems that are very different from each other. There are lots of paths that can work … more that don’t, and even more that can’t.
There are virtually plinthless systems. Sprung and unsprung systems. Arms fixed to plinths. Arms fixed to platters. Every type of drive.
Turntables are the playground for tinkerers from every country and every walk of life.
The proof of what a TT can do is in listening to it in the context of a system and environment. Until you’ve done that, you’re just puffing when you pontificate and compare things you’ve never actually heard.
I’ll check back when this thread is 50 pages … it will get there eventually
Well, they say that good things come to those who wait and I have certainly waited for this! Ordered on 3rd March and delivered yesterday, hence the long hiatus in my little project. Unfortunately I will be traveling next week and won't have time to mount it before I leave, but I have something to look forward to on my return!
Cogging is a significant problem with belt drive too- don't fool yourself- even if the platter is fairly massive.
To really see how this works, a Sutherland Timeline is a handy device. The SL1200 can keep one of the dots in the same place all day long while the LP is being played. Belt drive machines (as much as I like them) can't do that.
Ralph, my belt drive machine can do that, and I suspect there are others that can also. Do you have a video showing a "dot" from the Timeline? Mine are always a dash given that the platter is rotating at 33.333 RPM while the strobe light is on for an instant. The longer the distance from the spindle to the dash on some wall, the longer the dash is. I've never seen a dot if the platter is rotating fast. I have seen a non moving dash though. The SP10 Mk3 Timeline results are excellent as would be expected.
I’m no engineer, nor am I wealthy. I joined to learn about the best, which does not always mean expensive, or the same thing to all. I replaced the stock mat on my 1500c with an Isolate Sorbothane mat with a Teac paper and carbon on top of it. My thinking was it would further isolate any micro vibrations ala a wool mat etc instead of coupling to the platter. My very subjective ears says it did.
I’m no engineer, nor am I wealthy. I joined to learn about the best, which does not always mean expensive, or the same thing to all. I replaced the stock mat on my 1500c with an Isolate Sorbothane mat with a Teac paper and carbon on top of it. My thinking was it would further isolate any micro vibrations ala a wool mat etc instead of coupling to the platter. My very subjective ears says it did.
Ralph, my belt drive machine can do that, and I suspect there are others that can also. Do you have a video showing a "dot" from the Timeline? Mine are always a dash given that the platter is rotating at 33.333 RPM while the strobe light is on for an instant. The longer the distance from the spindle to the dash on some wall, the longer the dash is. I've never seen a dot if the platter is rotating fast. I have seen a non moving dash though. The SP10 Mk3 Timeline results are excellent as would be expected.
I’m no engineer, nor am I wealthy. I joined to learn about the best, which does not always mean expensive, or the same thing to all. I replaced the stock mat on my 1500c with an Isolate Sorbothane mat with a Teac paper and carbon on top of it. My thinking was it would further isolate any micro vibrations ala a wool mat etc instead of coupling to the platter. My very subjective ears says it did.
Oswaldsmill say an awful lot of rather fancy things about the K3. All doubtless requiring a grain of salt. Yes Krebs is a respectable designer modifier - but the guys that make up the technics team, who actually manufacture and make the motors, and the likes of Dusch Studiotechnik or indeed Hans Fabritius might have something to say about Krebs being THE AUTHORITY - as might Krebs himself. I always recall them going on about their slate being the best in the world. The speed measurement claim is also odd given that the JVC TT101 had a dual servo design in the 70’s - Sony on the TTS 8000 uses a magnetic tape to do constant speed measurement as did the Denons. Sorry but a lot of emperors new clothes just made very heavy and according to current tastes marketed to people brought up on belt drives. Sorry for the sarcasm - I’m sure it is an excellent deck but is more refinement and polish over true invention.
Oswaldsmill say an awful lot of rather fancy things about the K3. All doubtless requiring a grain of salt. Yes Krebs is a respectable designer modifier - but the guys that make up the technics team, who actually manufacture and make the motors, and the likes of Dusch Studiotechnik or indeed Hans Fabritius might have something to say about Krebs being THE AUTHORITY - as might Krebs himself. I always recall them going on about their slate being the best in the world. The speed measurement claim is also odd given that the JVC TT101 had a dual servo design in the 70’s - Sony on the TTS 8000 uses a magnetic tape to do constant speed measurement as did the Denons. Sorry but a lot of emperors new clothes just made very heavy and according to current tastes marketed to people brought up on belt drives. Sorry for the sarcasm - I’m sure it is an excellent deck but is more refinement and polish over true invention.
I know nothing about either one of the direct drive turntables. I only commented because framer gave a review of the SAT and then decided to buy the K3. Who knows the reasons?
