Can we actually discuss What is Best on this forum?

[tima]

No, but I once melded myself with a loudspeaker to become God Emperor of Hifi. Does that mean I can be sole arbiter of the "Best"??

You're certainly resonating !

 

[tima]

I don’t feel anyone who isn’t familiar with pretty much the entire works of Bach, Beethoven, Brahms, Chopin, Dvo?ák, Mahler, Mozart, Rachmaninov, Shostakovich, Sibelius and Tchaikovsky (just for starters) or doesn’t have access to most of the albums recorded by John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers, Lee Morgan, Kenny Drew, Paul Chambers, Philly Joe Jones, Thelonious Monk, Grachan Moncur III, Curtis Fuller, Herbie Hancock, Jackie McLean, Bob Cranshaw, Tony Williams, Osvaldo "Chihuahua" Martinez, Wayne Shorter, Ron Carter, Dexter Gordon, Elvin Jones, Freddie Hubbard, Thelonious Monk, Idrees Sulieman, George Taitt, Danny Quebec West, Billy Smith and Sahib Shihab, Gene Ramey, McCoy Tyner, Joe Henderson, Ron Carter and Elvin Jones, Andrew Hill, Horace Silver, Eric Dolphy, Bobby Hutcherson, Richard Davis, Tony Williams, Grant Green, Reggie Workman, Billy Higgins, Freddie Hubbard should be allowed to leave their systems until they have heard enough and have enough musical knowledge to judge anything about sound. There are more… but that’d just be being picky

I'm glad you said 'or'.

 

[the sound of Tao]

I'm glad you said 'or'.

I had to take a breath somewhere lol

 

[morricab]

You're certainly resonating !

Just wait until my fish "speakers" come to enforce my will upon you!

 

[Al M.]

Thank you for the souvenir you are giving me Al. Was I criticizing you judging you labelling you by any means.

Why would I think you did? Only in your imagination, Tang. Just like only in your imagination you were convinced that I thought my system was the best, even though I have repeatedly pointed out its shortcomings.

I was just responding to your argument and suggestions, that's all.

You get so SEXY when you are aroused.

Hehe, don't get any weird thoughts, please .But I know you never do .

But yes, of course I'm super sexy.

 

[bonzo75]

I always thought this forum, What's Best, was gonna be more discussion from more guys about What's Best in their systems, not one or two guys who consider they are What's Best, and the rest of us arguing about whether they're right or wrong, and squabbling about stuff we'll never ever easily hear.

who’s best forum

 

[Argonaut]

Personal opinions , hopefully containing some form of qualification, that stimulates cordial discussion are always welcome on WBF.

Absolutist proclamations that tend to polarise opinion and often engender rancorous posting less so.

 

[the sound of Tao]

Why would I think you did? Only in your imagination, Tang. Just like only in your imagination you were convinced that I thought my system was the best, even though I have repeatedly pointed out its shortcomings.

I was just responding to your argument and suggestions, that's all.



Hehe, don't get any weird thoughts, please .But I know you never do .

But yes, of course I'm super sexy.

Al super sexy and audiophile are oxymorons

 

[bonzo75]

Is there any thread to discuss what’s the most silly thread on the forum? This qualifies

 

[bonzo75]

Al super sexy and audiophile are oxymorons

he never was much into audio. Or video, for that matter

 

[Al M.]

he never was much into audio. Or video, for that matter

ROFL!

Thanks for saving my super sexy status.

 

[the sound of Tao]

he never was much into audio. Or video, for that matter

I like videos… not so much porn unless there are interesting costumes… but good music is always good

 

[the sound of Tao]

Is there any thread to discuss what’s the most silly thread on the forum? This qualifies

Much of the shit we talk here is a bit silly Ked thank heavens… sometimes there are gems uncovered, but these are mostly coincidences.

 

[Argonaut]

9. Be the owner of a trans dimensional carrier bag that can materialise quality recordings of Scheherazade 4th movement, Tchaikovsky violin concerto’s. Hoelscher dvorak cello concerto, Danse Macabre, Pictures at an exhibition etc.etc, as if by magic.

 

[Audire]

Yes, I understand your position; it is continually repeated in each of your posts. Objective vs subjection, objective proof depends on consensus, we all hear differently, claims of the best are only satisfied upon examination of every instance of all components under consideration in the same system. etc.

Respectfully, Tima you are the one claiming that “the“ best is an objective fact and not a subjective opinion. I’m simply asking you to show us your objective evidence of your claim. Can you?

tima:
Proponents of what's best must meet your criteria of objective proof although you cannot tell us what counts as objective proof. You cannot tell us why objective proof (whatever that is) is a requirement of being the best. Upon presentation you will assess if the objective proof is sufficient. Yes, I understand what you are saying.

No, I’m not asking you to meet “my“ criteria at all. You are the one claiming objectivity as to what is “the” best. I’m simply asking you to provide objective evidence of your claim. But you keep trying to avoid the real answer! Hmmm…

tima:
In essence I think you are saying that despite a dictionary entry the question of what is best is a meaningless or nonsense question. A Platonic form that will ever allude those in the shadows, an archetype we cannot describe. It requires a perspective from outside the world of the mind that is impossible to take. In effect, you are saying there is no best, or, at bare minimum, we can not talk meaningfully about it. Your answer to the question in the thread title is 'no' or 'we really shouldn't.'

No, not “in essence” and not in any way am I saying that what is best is a “meaningless or nonsense question.”

No, not “in effect” and not in any way am I suggesting that we “cannot talk meaningfully about it.”

For the record, this forum is full of audiophiles talking about what they feel is “the best” they've heard. They are subjective opinions, and I and many others enjoy reading and learning from them. However, I don’t see that many absolute statements regarding the absolute best - bar none - component or system.

By all means if you have “the” best system (or component) in the entire world then please post a pic of it and tell us what is in it. And please share how you objectively came to your conclusion.

My wife is having cancer surgery this morning, so I won’t be able to answer for a while. But I’m looking forward to your system/component pics when we return.

 

[Argonaut]

My wife is having cancer surgery this morning, so I won’t be able to answer for a while. But I’m looking forward to your system/component pics when we return.

So sorry to read of this Audire , my very best wishes for a favourable outcome .

 

[tima]

Respectfully, Tima you are the one claiming that “the“ best is an objective fact and not a subjective opinion.

I don't think I said that.

By insisting on talking in terms of objective and subjective you predetermine the outcome that you seek. Usually this is known as 'begging the question', that is assuming what one is trying to prove. I believe you do not understand what I am saying so no more debate. I think we can stop now given that we're talking past one another.

Hope it goes well for your wife.

 

[Audire]

I don't think I said that.

By insisting on talking in terms of objective and subjective you predetermine the outcome that you seek. Usually this is known as 'begging the question', that is assuming what one is trying to prove. I believe you do not understand what I am saying so no more debate. I think we can stop now given that we're talking past one another.

Hope it goes well for your wife.

No, I’m begging for an answer. But thanks for clarifying that ”the” best is a subjective opinion.

Thanks for thinking of my wife. We’re leaving now. talk later.

 

[tima]

I like videos… not so much porn unless there are interesting costumes… but good music is always good

you must like The Magic Flute.

 

[XV-1]

What music does these "best" components play. Classical, 50's blues and lite female jazz seems to be a pre-requisite.

But can they play indie rock, electronica, hard rock, hip hop, grunge, Rap, Dub, synth pop, new wave, shoegaze, bossanova and everything in between?

Or more importantly does this "best" equipment encourage you to discover and buy more and more music regardless of the audiophile sound quality ?


or is this just about gear and how large our phallic symbols are?