This is not how good engineering works. You don’t soften the tires to fix bad suspension design. You design the suspension right to begin with, that is if you know what you are doing...
Chronosonic XVX.
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This is not how good engineering works. You don’t soften the tires to fix bad suspension design. You design the suspension right to begin with, that is if you know what you are doing...
I think what most are not mentioning / thinking about is that the bar has risen significantly over the past 15 years or so reflected in lower distortion, less cabinet resonance and ultimately higher transparency and ability to get closer to the source recording. Once at these higher levels it becomes more about subjective designer taste than specs and charts. The Wilson video above is an example of that. If you don't like what Dave and son like, then you probably don't like the Wilson sound.
It seems to me that at this price level, Wilson should do the install. Heck, I did a far better setup of my X-2.2 at my old house than the dealer did during original setup.
steve williams
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IMO this is the common denominator of any component whether it be for speakers or electronics. Isn't this what this hobby is all about.People are drawn to the sound that they find most sonically pleasing What it is NOT all about is the constant bashing by one person. Cannata, if you have nothing new to add after 5 years I encourage you to direct your anger in a different direction because enough is enough
as for Wilson bashing, IMO cannata is the proverbial poster boy for leading the charge. A review of his posts here at WBF reflect an inherent hatred for Wilson audio and IMO he merely adds fodder to an otherwise good thread and before you know it he inflects his Magico vs Wilson position which we have heard so many times over the past 5 years
Cannata..we get you message but truthfully after 5 years it is becoming quite boring
This is a thread about the Wilson XVX, not a thread for you to once again brow beat the readers.
steve williams
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Did I read somewhere in the press release by Wilson Audio on the XVX that only select Wilson dealers will sell the XVX. I seem to remember the same when the X2 was initially released
Funny, I never seen you policing any Magico bashers...
I am replying to people who bother to reply to my posts (or refer to them). Is that against your policies? Or only when it comes to Wilson it is? If people don't like it, all they need to do is ignore me, and I will go away...
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steve williams
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I don't recall any such Magico threads over the past several years since you brought it to our attention years ago .The admin team is cognizant of what went on and we have made every attempt to make this a level playing field. I do know of one member who strongly dislikes Magico and makes no bones about it BUT in the same post he just as much hates Wilson as well as any speaker manufacturer that makes box speakers
It's called live and let live. We all get it. You don't like Wilson. You like Magico. We are all good with that. It's a hobby not a personal vendetta.
So can we get back to discussing the Wilson XVX
It's called live and let live. We all get it. You don't like Wilson. You like Magico. We are all good with that. It's a hobby not a personal vendetta.
So can we get back to discussing the Wilson XVX
"Availability -The Chronosonic XVX will begin shipping to select dealers and distributors in October 2019. Contact
a dealer near you for timing and details—or to arrange for a demonstration."
Well said. Saw the static display XVX at RMAF (beautiful speaker) and it would have sounded horrible in that small room. They would have needed an entirely different intro, with an appropriately large room.
Like the XLF room a few years back? I bet it will be at RMAF and other shows within 12 months..
Considering the WAMM experience I do not expect it. Several people referred to it - the ability to get a large area with excellent sound quality - we can move like in a real performance.
SoundLab's and Wilson's are very different ways of listening - I own and enjoy both, but not simultaneously. But IMHO Wilson' XLF's are more "realistic".
MtnHam and microstrip let's talk about the elephant in the room since you're dancing around it - Soundlab best model (~$20K?) versus the XLF, one of Wilson's top of the line $200k+ - there is simply no comparison, the Wilson's trounce the Soundlabs (yes I have heard them both). Forget imaging, spacial cues, etc., the difference in sound quality and the overall ability to get closer to the recording is not even close. A closer matchup would be the Wilson Sasha versus the Soundlabs and IMO the net would be - whatever floats your boat more. Also, FWIW for planars my $ is on Maggies, 20.x are excellent when driven right in the right room (even 3.7s were fabulous). There I said it 
MtnHam and microstrip let's talk about the elephant in the room since you're dancing around it - Soundlab best model (~$20K?) versus the XLF, one of Wilson's top of the line $200k+ - there is simply no comparison, the Wilson's trounce the Soundlabs (yes I have heard them both). Forget imaging, spacial cues, etc., the difference in sound quality and the overall ability to get closer to the recording is not even close. A closer matchup would be the Wilson Sasha versus the Soundlabs and IMO the net would be - whatever floats your boat more. Also, FWIW for planars my $ is on Maggies, 20.x are excellent when driven right in the right room (even 3.7s were fabulous). There I said it
Wilson's and Soundlab's they are too different to allow comparisons and the use of the word "trounce" in absolute.
Surely if we operate the Soundlab's beyond their comfort zone or valuate a lot the fidelity of the recording the XLF's easily win. But just for pure enjoyment of some recordings the SoundLab's can be real winners.
In my experience I had to go the Alexia to get level of the performance of the Soundlab A1 PX's - the Sasha does not have the needed scale and image size.
As far as I remember SoundLab best model goes around $50k, not $20k.
Thanks Joe,
The video is great, interesting to hear Darryll’s design concept as it is a completely beautiful process.
The temporal framework looks at not just at immediate and literal present time coherence but also how the experience of listening to music links us also from past experience (recall) to current experience and being seated in the now of listening and also can create simultaneously linked moments of projection forwards as well (musical anticipation).
This is the musically discrete version of architectural phenomenology where the notion that any perceptual state is a shared temporal space between recall and retention of embedded understanding of past experience brought on by current experience and also then the building of anticipation and the sensation of a future. Continuity as temporal flow.
Past designs X also lead to the development of the V now and projects to the future designs of Wilson X (which is projected as a life cycle of development) which is also generational... could be Dave <> Darryll <> and perhaps looking forwards eventually to next gen Wilson design wherever that may lead.
Either way just really nice to see his genuine and authentic engagement in design is mature and holistic and points at the highest intention.
He is clearly a big picture dude with high concept integral to his essential design process. Colour me impressed, it has resulted in what looks to me like one of the more beautiful speakers that Wilson have produced. The organic skeletal frame is rendered in a very sculptural and poised way, the scale and relationship of the parts is lovely and it has arresting aesthetics that are both well proportioned and harmonic.
The balance between revealing and celebrating structure and using the curvaceous movement of fabric to lead the eye back to the drivers is really nice visual control. That ultimately function leads to lovely form is marvellous design. Hope it sounds just as well integrated as it looks... that would be a deserved outcome, certainly the contemporary forward looking design works to create a clear sense of that anticipation.
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Did you find the Alexia to be able to throw an image comparable to the scale and size of the image of the Sound Labs?
I wonder how further out Darryl and his design team took the project. Did the next generation appear to him as he was designing the first one?
Tim I find in creation the learning on how to improve in the next generation is innate in designers and just the natural process of every thing. Whether conscious or not that the next is always being born from the experience of the now. To bring something into that final reflection point of completion (possibly playing the music and living with the speaker in this case) based on the what is and also the what ifs then lead to future design starting points if there is life yet left in the maker to go another round.
Inherently learning is change of understanding and completely a temporal shift thing where we use precedence to initiate, then act and move towards projecting outcomes based on previous iterations and at end simply experiencing that and reflecting. When the end is the now then that moment of reflection translates and is integrated into us as praxis. The knowing that comes from having manifested and then experienced and turning that experience into realising an understanding.
The end of cycle then fertilises and generates next birth.
Designing is like any other act of creation which is actually regenerative where continuance = experiencing change and the need to have that end is to then be renewed and readied with the resources of the experience to regenerate the past and the present into the next.
I knew today that since I have been modding my horns with more and more diy ownership for the last 6 months that the next version was already coming to me. I’ve sketched it out and it is initiated. Even in my small and modest ways I can’t hold back from the inevitable cycle that engaging in making leads to new and unexpected things. There’s more than a bit of life left in all of us it seems.
Inherently learning is change of understanding and completely a temporal shift thing where we use precedence to initiate, then act and move towards projecting outcomes based on previous iterations and at end simply experiencing that and reflecting. When the end is the now then that moment of reflection translates and is integrated into us as praxis. The knowing that comes from having manifested and then experienced and turning that experience into realising an understanding.
The end of cycle then fertilises and generates next birth.
Designing is like any other act of creation which is actually regenerative where continuance = experiencing change and the need to have that end is to then be renewed and readied with the resources of the experience to regenerate the past and the present into the next.
I knew today that since I have been modding my horns with more and more diy ownership for the last 6 months that the next version was already coming to me. I’ve sketched it out and it is initiated. Even in my small and modest ways I can’t hold back from the inevitable cycle that engaging in making leads to new and unexpected things. There’s more than a bit of life left in all of us it seems.
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