ChronsonicXVX.

Aussienut

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I think we forget that at the higher end, we are listening to how a particular individual or small group voice their speakers. If this voicing aligns with our own take on how music should sound, then we are attracted to that designer. If a designer has listened to many different cone materials and to their ears paper cones are better, then I applaud their decision. If that approach matches what I believe/hear as what music should sound like, then I will buy their product over other designers who may like so called more modern materials. Performance measurements are part of the equation, but the final voicing by the designer dictates the final outcome.
 
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I don't have any problem with taste or preferences (although am still waiting to hear a good argument against well behaved pistonic cone, which are available today - or why gross distortion of any kind is a good thing, etc) I am talking about all these ridicules claims...
 
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I think we forget that at the higher end, we are listening to how a particular individual or small group voice their speakers. If this voicing aligns with our own take on how music should sound, then we are attracted to that designer. If a designer has listened to many different cone materials and to their ears paper cones are better, then I applaud their decision. If that approach matches what I believe/hear as what music should sound like, then I will buy their product over other designers who may like so called more modern materials. Performance measurements are part of the equation, but the final voicing by the designer dictates the final outcome.
Then you must ask yourself why would you prefer a cone/driver that is not passing 30% of the information (pick a number, can be less or more - you get my point). If you know what you are doing you should be able to design a speaker that sound and measure well. It is the 21st century, you no longer have to choose.
 
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(...) I’ve owned Wilson speakers since 1993 and have been at the launch of virtually every new product. Plus this speaker is high on my radar (...)
I do not expect the XVX to have a nice impedance such as the X2 or XLF ... The WAMM has 1.8 ohm in the low midrange. But I can be wrong! ;)
 

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I do not expect the XVX to have a nice impedance such as the X2 or XLF ... The WAMM has 1.8 ohm in the low midrange. But I can be wrong! ;)
At this price point most customers won't care as they can afford whatever amp(s) are required to drive them appropriately.
 
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A serious question for all the Wilson owners and even more so at their 6 figure loudspeakers.

Does it “bother “ you that the company still uses paper cone drivers ? Objectively they aren’t pistons drivers and light years behind their competitors. Who are even less expensive retail price. (...)
A serious answer - not at all. Particularly after I listened the WAMMs with their paper cone drivers sounding more realistic in the bass than anything else I had heard before. Or the XLF's with Constellation Audio Hercules / Altair playing tunes in the bass much better than famous pistonic cones that I will not nominate.

It is known since long that subjective bass quality is due to very complex factors and oversimplified analysis of single isolated aspects can be misleading.
 
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At this price point most customers won't care as they can afford whatever amp(s) are required to drive them appropriately.
Surely, but I was thinking about Steve ML3's.
 

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I do not expect the XVX to have a nice impedance such as the X2 or XLF ... The WAMM has 1.8 ohm in the low midrange. But I can be wrong! ;)
I hope you're wrong as my electronics will be buried with me.
 

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Are we all forgetting that audio, esp at this level is a recipe. Yep, components and materials that measure well have the advantage. But if a so-called "worse" material sounds better in synergy w the rest of the design, you'd be stupid not to choose it. Designer bias means all. I guess if the customer doesn't like the sound, he doesn't rate the bias either.
 

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This strikes me as an exercise in expensive complexity with way too many components, requiring multiple connections and adjustments that will require a highly qualified technician from Wilson to spend major time to properly set up. The number of cartons and crates requiring storage for future resale is likely staggering. The price will probably astronomical. And then, endless tweaking. Unless you are a tweaker, more costly visits from a tech. It's appearance suggests a highly focused sweet spot, allowing only one listener at a time to really enjoy the best sound. My single driver electrostatic panels provide the whole room with full range delight, and a wide imaging area. I don't think I'm even remotely tempted.
 
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A serious answer - not at all. Particularly after I listened the WAMMs with their paper cone drivers sounding more realistic in the bass than anything else I had heard before. Or the XLF's with Constellation Audio Hercules / Altair playing tunes in the bass much better than famous pistonic cones that I will not nominate.

It is known since long that subjective bass quality is due to very complex factors and oversimplified analysis of single isolated aspects can be misleading.
The mind is a powerful thing, silly at times, yet so gripping.
When you get a break, if that ever happen, feel free to explain why bass from a paper cone will preform better then just about anything. Yes, we know there are other factors, but lets just say they are all equal...
 

Aussienut

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Then you must ask yourself why would you prefer a cone/driver that is not passing 30% of the information (pick a number, can be less or more - you get my point). If you know what you are doing you should be able to design a speaker that sound and measure well. It is the 21st century, you no longer have to choose.
Good question. Why do we continue to use these archaic materials when there is so much more we can have with the latest and greatest. And even worst, why do parts of the audio industry continue to use that decades old valve technology when solid state and now class D is so much superior? Our ears must be playing tricks on us or made its the wine.

Well maybe I’m showing my age but I still find a use For pen and paper. And this New fangled iPad pencil for some reason sits in my draw while I type this using the built in keyboard. Afraid it’s no hope for me. Just old fashioned.
 
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tima

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I do not expect the XVX to have a nice impedance such as the X2 or XLF ... The WAMM has 1.8 ohm in the low midrange. But I can be wrong! ;)
It's a shame, but your expectations won't be dissappointed. Not that much different than the WAMM though perhaps an easier load than the Alexx.

XVX:
Sensitivity: 93.5 dB @ 1W @ 1 meter @1 kHz
Nominal Impedance: 3 ohms / minimum 1.77 ohms @ 310 Hz
Minimum Amplifier Power: 100 watts per channel

Single-ended ouput stage topologies as found in Steve's ML3s (gorgeous), Lamm's ML2.2s, or direct coupled output stages as found on certain OTLs are so sonically appealing.
 

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This strikes me as an exercise in expensive complexity with way too many components, requiring multiple connections and adjustments that will require a highly qualified technician from Wilson to spend major time to properly set up. The number of cartons and crates requiring storage for future resale is likely staggering. The price will probably astronomical. And then, endless tweaking. Unless you are a tweaker, more costly visits from a tech. It's appearance suggests a highly focused sweet spot, allowing only one listener at a time to really enjoy the best sound. My single driver electrostatic panels provide the whole room with full range delight, and a wide imaging area. I don't think I'm even remotely tempted.
A highly qualified technician from Wilson Audio (or perhaps from a dealer in whom Wilson Audio has supreme confidence) will set them up. Knowing the speakers will be properly set up and fine-tuned in your home is one of the stress-reducing elements of the Wilson Audio package.
 

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At least in the Far East, buyers of $400,000++ speakers do expect installation services directly from Wilson technicians not dealer. At this level most of their dealers don't even have them in their show room let alone installation experience on them.
 
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At least in the Far East, buyers of $400,000++ speakers do expect installation services directly from Wilson technicians not dealer. At this level most of their dealers don't even have them in their show room let alone installation experience on them.
The WAMM absolutely is installed directly by Wilson Audio. I just don’t happen to know if the XVX will be installed directly by Wilson Audio as well.
 

sbo6

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A highly qualified technician from Wilson Audio (or perhaps from a dealer in whom Wilson Audio has supreme confidence) will set them up. Knowing the speakers will be properly set up and fine-tuned in your home is one of the stress-reducing elements of the Wilson Audio package.
And also baked into the price as it is with all Wilson speakers FWIW.
 

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